I'm with you biggun. I only got this one out of nostalgia and it was priced right. I dont deer hunt with AK's either. Ballisticly the round is very simular to the 30-30. Now, I would really like to try some of Hornadys newer offerings with the pointed boat tail rubber tipped bullets that are loaded to higher vel, up to 200 fps faster. Hell, they are now offering 30 carbine that goes 2000 fps. My fav deer rifle is my custom 98 mauser in 338 win mag. Overkill? I have NEVER had to track a deer after shooting them with it.