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    Here is picture of 28GA FH brass case with the 350gr
    Lyman cast slug. It is the slug you cast to use
    originally in 20ga shot cups, for slug hunting.
    It is nose heavy and will work in smooth bores.
    Brass 3.25" cases from Rocky Mtn Cartridge. It
    will work in NEF/H&R 28ga modern break action guns
    that cost 150 bucks, 26" barrel, you lengthen chamber
    for the brass case. Good hunting loads would
    be 2000 fps and the gun with a little weight added
    and good pad would handle it fine. Had a few guys ask
    about 28ga slug shooting, here is away..Ed


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    Here is a double projectile load that would make a
    good defense load. Two Brenekkes doubled up in RMC
    case in the NEF. 85 gr of 4227 pushing 2 one
    ounce KO slugs about 1600. Bottom slug has seal.

    Also found a way to adapt extra slugs to 10ga. A
    515 gr Lyman slug for use in 12ga wadcup, in my
    10ga, using thickwall 10ga BPI steel no slit wadcup
    shortened and Lyman bottomed out in it, so it
    is like a discard on impact sabot slug. Like Lightfield
    and Hastings. I shaved the bottom diameter of Lyman
    so it would fit tight. Similar deal for 16ga using BPI 16ga
    no slit heavy shot cup and 20ga Lyman. Now we have it
    so that 2 Lymans can fit 10,12,16,20,28 ga....Ed



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    Here is 12ga prototype cushioned base sabot I put
    together to show how heavy of powder seal
    and heavy cushion base that is needed. That
    eliminates the blowouts and damage that was
    happening to sabots unless I put a card
    under sabot. Just used a Brenekke seal/cushion
    base, epoxied to bottom of sabot. Even fired one
    and it got out the barrel and 437gr slug hit
    target straight. Ed


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    Some 8ga experimenting and info. The 8ga chambers
    I have are set up to fire the regular 8ga
    size cases, and also REM kiln cases with bases
    turned smaller, where the extra short basecup
    is formed over the inside cup.Just reduce to the
    diameter that it chambers ok and regular case
    doesn't expand very much fired in same chamber.
    This idea came from UK 8ga hunters that found
    it was easier to get kiln cases. Now the other
    case in 8ga available is the WIN kiln case and
    ones I've seen are only single thickness basecup,
    but they have the step formed in them to match
    the kiln case belt size. Now you can't turn them
    down any to fit my chamber, BUT you can swage
    them down .012" in a die with a lttle lube on the
    basecup. Examining them they do expand much more
    than the doubled up REMs.I fired REMs 4-5 times
    with bases expanding .002", the WIN I did
    expanded .005" in one shot.Easiest to use
    heavier built REMs as they are only 70cents
    primed and good for 4-5 shots,
    no resizing, with semi-hairy 8,000 ft lb loads.Ed

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    That double-stack slug is sure neat! I wish times weren't suddenly so tight that I could buy another gun
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    I glued up 3 of 12ga prototype sabots. At 25yds( the 50yd range
    is in the water and snow) And the three with 437gr .512"
    slugs I did one 2" group with peep sights and bad eyes.
    Running about 2400 fps from RMC case in the NEF 12GA FH
    Shot 3 of my 28ga FH with Lyman 360gr at 2100, from
    the Enfield 28GA FH, and got same size group.Real windy
    when testing . Going cold and ready to snow again.
    Shot a 600 grain Dixie hardened heatreated slug, in Savage
    in our long case at 2900 though two-- 1/4" steel plates with
    2" of wood between them. Made big hole.
    HC, you could get Encore from me.Ed

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    Before it got cold again got little more testing done.
    I shot 8ga Lyman 900gr wasp-style slug out of
    the Enfield at 2350. I made it from heat treated
    lead REM kiln gun slugs, and it went through 6 foot
    of hardwood slabs in my backstop. Hit target square,
    behind chrono, which is great from smoothbore.
    It is hollowbase and seems very stable.And real hard.
    I shot 3 shot group, with 12ga 525gr Lyman, in 87
    smoothbore long barrel levergun, At 25 yards they
    all made hole like cloverleaf. Used 3.5" RMC brass, with
    Lyman in a WW12-114 shotcup, going 2100.Now my
    87 smooth barrel is .722" at muzzle, .726" at breech,
    so it gives tight support to shotcup and Lyman slug,
    for fairly accurate load.....Ed

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    Here is picture of one of RIP's NEFs 12GA FH, with
    a Vias brake installed. He had smith ream out a
    50cal one to let 12ga slugs pass through...Ed


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    The Vias brake bored out in above picture will help
    RIP with recoil as he wants to shoot all heavy slugs
    in the NEF Ultra. Guys like the Vias brakes.They
    can be bored out and fitted to anything.
    I just like ported internal brakes and more gun weight.

    Here are some results( had 1 nice day) with 8 gauge and
    10ga light slug loads of my testing. I call them my real
    big bore varmint loads. A 770 gr slug in 8ga fired in
    Enfield at 2400 all 3 shots nearly touching at 20 yds.
    A 515 gr Lyman, NEF 10ga at 2400, same tight group
    at 20yds. Lyman is originally for 12ga, but is fit in
    10ga thickwall BPI shotcup cut off and slug glued in so
    it is like a impact discarding sabot. Both smoothbores.

    Smaller varmint load. NEF rifled 12ga with RG's 385gr
    aluminum cored jacketed HP slug at 2700, 2 overlapping
    and one half inch away using RMC 3.5" case. Ed

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