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    They don't have everything pictured on the site,
    call them to to order them.They made 3.85" for RIP,
    made 3.5" for me and others. You order them then
    they make them. Tell them the heavy wall case with
    larger bottom radius for slug shooting.

    Tested my 499HE in a NEF. Loads I didn't have to
    full length resize the case, only top 1/4 of case.
    325gr at 2600, 500gr at 2150.
    In NEF got both weight bullets 300 fps faster,
    still extracted very easy.I got reamer. Just run it
    in NEF 500 chamber and you got a blaster. And add
    a little weight and thick pad to the gun.I have
    a barrel ring to hold forearm along with original
    bolt, as I added weight there as well as the butt.Ed


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    Finally an 870 with longer 1" muzzle barrel. Barrel
    is heavier than most all add on pump gun barrels,
    and it is 25.5" long, Something that would really get
    it on with the slower powder loads we have.
    Rifled barrel is solid mount in receiver, scoperail solid mount.

    It is the REM 870 Super Slug Gun.
    Nice long heavy barrel, and thumbhole stock for
    handling recoil better. Plastic case 3" slug loads of ours that
    gets 600gr slugs to 1800-1900 fps, work great in this
    Like the ones I load and roll crimp in second picture
    that are setting behind the little vise, and the one in the
    vise readt to be crimped...Ed




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    Here is a novel slug idea, hard plastic support ring on
    the front, and a locked base ring/seal. Metal never
    touches the bores. Work in great rifled and good in
    smooth barrels. These are steel, lead/copper would do
    great also.Could be made heavier and different points.
    Flat point shown would do great damage to game.
    On the net- ammunitiontogo.com
    This one is about 500 gr.

    Second picture is the 499HE to use in redoing the 500S&W,
    shown on the also, in single shots, etc,for those wanting
    much more power at 40-50% lower pressures.Ed




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    Some more testing with RE17 powder. I used it in 2.75",
    3", 3.5" 12ga plastic, 3.5 and 3.85" brass. I like it the
    best of all, as well as the real slow powders in our
    long case with BMG primer.
    Following tested in Savage-max pressure 35k psi.
    I took couple of our first made 3.85" BMG based
    long cases and bushed them back to use shotgun primers
    to fire off the RE17. Works great, with 715gr jacketed slug
    and 220 gr RE17 getting 2700 . With 420 gr slug in
    BPI sabot with 250 gr RE17 getting 3200 plus.
    Following tested in NEF-max pressure 25k psi.
    Using 3.5" MRC brass, 715gr jkt and 200gr RE17, got 2500.
    420 gr in BPI sabot and 220 gr Re17, got 2900 fps.
    And we get real good velocities in plastic with half the
    basecup expansion of factory mag loads.So that solves
    problem-IE, being able to use regular firing mechanisms and
    shotgun primers, with large enough powder charges to
    get hairy velocities at mag shotgun pressures in plastic
    and higher in brass cases with heavy barrels.A good powder
    for plastic and brass loads.
    I see now that Lightfield Co has the Commander 3.5" Plus
    slug loads with 600gr at 1900, probably in a test barrel.
    But that is great- nice, as it seems we're being copied!!!ED

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    So many guys want 12ga sabot type slugs to reload their own.
    Here is an interesting combination slug available in Europe
    and they are working to get distributors/stores here.
    Any interested stores and shops contact them. We need
    many sources of saboted slugs for reloading. The sabot
    petals discards completely as slug exits muzzle and locked
    on base stays with slug, making it nose heavy so it will give
    decent accuracy in smooth bores.Will work in rifled barrels
    also. Slug is .629" diameter, comes in 570gr, 700gr, 970gr
    weights. They're selling these reloader/other loaders only.
    It is called the US-S slug, and their site is
    europeancartridgeunlimited.com ..Ed


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    The company kindly gave me few US-S slugs to test at high speeds.
    I had helped him test another slug a while back.
    He sent me some each of the US-S 570 gr, 700 gr, 970 gr.
    I tested the 570 gr so far and in 3.5" plastic case in the 1887
    smoothbore 35" barrel and in the NEF rifled 36" barrel at
    1900 fps. I got that with 130gr of RE17 with one BPGS
    seal under the sabot on the slug. The bottom of the sabot seal
    is exactly like a BPGS, so a BPGS added gives double sealing.
    Both smooth and rifled gave 3 shot 3" group each at 50 yds with
    peep sights and bad eyes. This slug does as good as advertized
    in smooth barrels, and smooth accuracy is as good as rifled.
    My smooth barrel is tight, measuring 723" at muzzle.
    These should be a great deer and hog slug. Folks need to
    ask their dealers to work to import these for them
    to have what seems a good slug to reload...

    On another note we may have found a guy who is gearing up
    to make 10 ga rifled barrels. I'll know later this winter
    If so I will put one on a bolt action and use the 4.1" long
    10GA FH case I made or get some like it from RMC..Ed

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    Here is picture of the US-S slugs in a lineup
    with other 12ga slugs I'm testing. Lefteris was
    kind enough to send me a few of each weight
    to test. They are the 3 in second row on the right.
    They are 570gr, 700 gr, 970 gr. I tested 570gr in
    3.5" plastic so far. At 1900 in the NEF rifled, and
    in the 1887 smooth barrel, got 3" group on both.
    With peep sights an bad eyes.So the US-S slug
    is great in smoothbores, as good as rifled. My
    smoothbore on the 1887 is .723" bore at muzzle,
    a nice tight fit for smooth slugs. The smooth
    bores Lefteris tested them with are .722" muzzle,
    and they've already killed 5 wild boars, one shot
    kills with the 570gr slug. Also if anyone wants a
    heavy smoothbore new 12ga barrel, .722" muzzle,
    1.375" outside diameter to make a great slug
    gun with slugs like these, and others like the
    Brenekkes, I have spare one. The US-S slugs
    are smoothbore accurate in my 87 like the
    Brenekke KOs.In the picture the left two cases
    are 3.5" Fiocchi with the Fiocchi magnum primers.
    I compared that primer to the REM 209 primer and
    it has about the same strength.Next two are FED 3.5".
    then 2 12GA FH 3.85" cases, then 3.5" RMC brass, then
    3" RMC brass, the 2 WIN 3.5", then 2 REM 3.5".ED


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    I got the 700H 3.25 case feeding from the magazine I set
    up on the Montana Rifle Co PH action. It is singlestack with
    feed lips similiar to 12ga shotgun clip style magazines I
    had here. Works great, shown in first picture. Now it is longer
    than regular 12ga mags, but same setup would do for feeding
    long brass 12GA FH and long MRC 12ga cases. The
    700H 3.25 is 3.9 inches overall loaded length. In picture
    case is ready to clear the mag lips, then rim pops up under
    extracter as bolt is moving forward. Second picture is
    the box used that I made out of two PH boxes. That allowed
    for extra height and fit for singlestack and riveted together.
    Used a Savage 210 12ga follower and spring. ED




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    The 700gr US-S slug in smoothbore, at 2000
    in a 3.5" brass case, got a 2.5" 3 shot group
    at 50 yds. Great slugs they have come up with
    for smoothbores.
    Some of us talking about getting 10 ga rifled
    barrels made, here is a picture of my 4.1" long
    brass 10ga I made from 50cal Russian by putting
    on a rim like the 12GA FH is built.Just a prototype,
    third in picture. Later I'll get RMC to make some,
    as it is much easier way. First in picture is
    16GA FH 3.5" long, 2nd 12GA FH 3.85" long,
    3rd 10GA FH 3.1" long, 4th 8GA FH 4.3" long.Ed


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    I now have a variety of 12GA FH test guns including
    two Savage 210s in the lineup...SO I'm selling the first
    12GA FH that I did on the Savage 210 bolt action.
    Its in original Savage stock now, 28" Pacnor rifled barrel.
    Stock is weighted and double thick recoil pad.
    It is chambered for the original 3.85" long 12GA FH case.
    750 plus shipping, included 4 of our long cases and
    30 slugs.That is the first 12GA FH built on a Savage
    and the second 12GA FH ever built. Pickup here for MI
    guys ok also. Savage 210s are now 550 bucks, the heavy
    rifled barrel cost me 350 bucks..Ed

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