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    Death toll is three now, and they mention the firearm used


    WEBSTER, N.Y. — An ex-con killed two firefighters with the same caliber and make military-style rifle used in the Connecticut school massacre after typing a note pledging to burn down his neighborhood and "do what I like doing best, killing people," police said Tuesday as another body, believed to be the gunman's missing sister, was found.

    William Spengler, 62, who served 17 years in prison for manslaughter in the 1980 hammer slaying of his grandmother, set his house afire before dawn Christmas Eve before taking a revolver, a shotgun and a semiautomatic rifle to a sniper position outside, Police Chief Gerald Pickering said.

    The death toll rose to three as police revealed that a body believed to be the killer's 67-year-old sister, Cheryl Spengler, was found in his fire-ravaged home.

    Authorities say he sprayed bullets at the first responders, killing two firefighters and injuring two others who remained hospitalized Tuesday in stable condition, awake and alert and expected to survive. He then killed himself as seven houses burned on a sliver of land along Lake Ontario.

    Police recovered a military-style .223-caliber semiautomatic Bushmaster rifle with flash suppression, the same make and caliber weapon used in the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Conn., that killed 26, including 20 young children, Pickering said.

    The chief said it was believed the firefighters were hit with shots from the rifle given the distance but the investigation was incomplete.

    "He was equipped to go to war, kill innocent people," the chief said.

    The two- to three-page typewritten rambling note left by Spengler did not reveal what set off the killer or provide a motive for the shootings, Pickering said. He called the attack a "clear ambush on first responders."

    He declined to reveal the note's full content or say where it was found. He read only one chilling line: "I still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood I can burn down, and do what I like doing best, killing people."

    Pickering said it was unclear whether the person believed to be Spengler's sister died before or during the fire.
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    Here are the Libs trying to blame the rifle with "flash suppression". Trying to make it sound scary. Read paragraphs 3 and 12.

    Firemen's killer left chilling note, deaths at 3 - US news

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    WELL ACCORDING TO THAT ARTICLE ONE WAS A [POLICE LETUNATE AN A 911 DISPATCER . FIORE FIGHTERS WERE PINNED DOWN UNDER A TRUCK WITH NO WAY TO DEFEND THEM SELVES AN OFF SUTY POLISE WERE TRYING TO HELP. SOUNDS LIKE A MESS .

    THE PROPLEM IS THE MEDIA WEILL MAKE THIS INTO A BLUE PRINT FOR THE NEXT IDIOT AN MORE LEOS, AN EMTS FIRE FIGHTERS, ETC WILL BE KILLED. I FEAR WE WILL SEE THIS AGIAN UN LESS THESE WORKERS ARE NO LONGER SOFT TARGETS.

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    SO BASIUCAL THESE POOR GUYS DROVE STRAIGHT INTO A FRESH MURDER CRIME SCENE AN WERE THE FIRST RESPONDERS. THEY WERE AMBUSHED BUY A MAN WHO HAD DECIDED ON A MURDER AN SUICIDE BY COP AS HIS WAY TO GET HIS 15 MINUTES. HAD COPS SHOWN UP FIRST THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN THE VICTOMS LIKELY.

    I SUSPECT HE KNEW THE FIRE DPARTMENT WAS MADE UP BY A LOT OF COPS AN I SUSPECT HE DIDNT LIKE THEM AS HE HAD SPENT A TON OF TIME IN JAIL. I ALSO WONDER IF HAVING COPS ON THE VOLUNTER FIRE DEPARTMEN DOSEN MAKE THE REST TARGETS ALSO. IM BETTING THERE ARE A LOT OF EVIL PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HATE COPS AN SITTING NEXT TO ONE CAN BE DANGERIOUS.

    I HAVE A FEW LEO FRIENDS AN THEY ALL HAVE A FEW PEOLE INTHERE LIVES THAT THEY WORRY ABOUT IF THEY EVER GET OUT OR KNEW WERE THE LIVED.

    ALSO THE ABOVE ARTICLE HAS A PETITITION TO MAKE WI GOVONOR WALKER REQUIRE BACK GROUND CHECKS ON ALL SALES . THE MAN WAS A CONVICTED KILLER IN NEW YORK HE COULD NO OWN OR BUY A GUN LEAGALY THERE OR ANY WERE. ERRRRRRRRRRR.

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    the real question the press/media fails to ask is "How is a convicted murder, who brutally murdered his own grandmother even CONSIDERED for early release or parole?"

    this shit happens all the time, i have been griping about it for years.

    it does get a lot more national media time if an "evil assault rifle" is involved in some way.

    this guy should have been hanged from a rope decades ago-- but he is spared to reek havoc on the community once again by the liberal biased educated elites--

    and now it it a piece of irons fault that he murdered these firefighters??-

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    Well, the left would be even more stupid than previously thought if the try to use this tragedy for anti gun propaganda.
    It clearly illustrates the failed liberal catch and release criminal policy, rather than a gun control issue.

    Shooter

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1biggun View Post
    SO BASIUCAL THESE POOR GUYS DROVE STRAIGHT INTO A FRESH MURDER CRIME SCENE AN WERE THE FIRST RESPONDERS. THEY WERE AMBUSHED BUY A MAN WHO HAD DECIDED ON A MURDER AN SUICIDE BY COP AS HIS WAY TO GET HIS 15 MINUTES. HAD COPS SHOWN UP FIRST THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN THE VICTOMS LIKELY.

    I SUSPECT HE KNEW THE FIRE DPARTMENT WAS MADE UP BY A LOT OF COPS AN I SUSPECT HE DIDNT LIKE THEM AS HE HAD SPENT A TON OF TIME IN JAIL. I ALSO WONDER IF HAVING COPS ON THE VOLUNTER FIRE DEPARTMEN DOSEN MAKE THE REST TARGETS ALSO. IM BETTING THERE ARE A LOT OF EVIL PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HATE COPS AN SITTING NEXT TO ONE CAN BE DANGERIOUS.

    I HAVE A FEW LEO FRIENDS AN THEY ALL HAVE A FEW PEOLE INTHERE LIVES THAT THEY WORRY ABOUT IF THEY EVER GET OUT OR KNEW WERE THE LIVED.

    ALSO THE ABOVE ARTICLE HAS A PETITITION TO MAKE WI GOVONOR WALKER REQUIRE BACK GROUND CHECKS ON ALL SALES . THE MAN WAS A CONVICTED KILLER IN NEW YORK HE COULD NO OWN OR BUY A GUN LEAGALY THERE OR ANY WERE. ERRRRRRRRRRR.
    The problem is you are supposing and making up facts NOT IN EVIDENCE...You know, EXACTLY like the media you love to rip to shreds for not posting facts...Things that make you go hm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by j427x View Post
    the real question the press/media fails to ask is "How is a convicted murder, who brutally murdered his own grandmother even CONSIDERED for early release or parole?"

    this shit happens all the time, i have been griping about it for years.

    it does get a lot more national media time if an "evil assault rifle" is involved in some way.

    this guy should have been hanged from a rope decades ago-- but he is spared to reek havoc on the community once again by the liberal biased educated elites--

    and now it it a piece of irons fault that he murdered these firefighters??-
    Excellent post and I couldn't posibly agree more.

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    Correct I am merely Giving thoughts here. My question you to you would be however how many times will this need to happen before you would possibly change your thoughts on it? if there starts copycat shootings like this continue to happen will you change your mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1biggun View Post
    Correct I am merely Giving thoughts here. My question you to you would be however how many times will this need to happen before you would possibly change your thoughts on it? if there starts copycat shootings like this continue to happen will you change your mind
    My mind won't change. We are not there to be cops, we have a different job to do. I believe that if this happened where I work we would start to get police escorts. In fact the cops show up to most of our calls now unless busy elsewhere.

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