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    Amazing how these Senate party hacks can't put together a budget, get exorcised over Fast & Furious or Benghazi, but when there's a chance to tread on the Bill of Rights--Look Out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprat View Post
    I am up north for the holiday's ,

    this editorial was printed in the Newark star ledger this morning
    Opinion: Anyone who believes the Second Amendment is absolute needs to face reality | NJ.com

    this is what we are up against

    then read this crap
    At least six people shot in 24-hour period in Newark | NJ.com

    an NJ has some of the most restrictions and laws against firearms ownership in the land!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trukfixr View Post
    With no sale or transfer & surrender at death,these weapons won't legally be able to exist after this generation.Now there's an efficient gun grab,

    they probably be full auto AK's getting brought in FROM mexico by then.

    only gang-bangers and cartels will have them.

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    Heard her on the radio the other day saying the ar-15 is not used for hunting and no hunter worth his salt would use such a rifle for hunting. WHAT REALLY And these are the people that are going to be writing the laws concerning firearms. God help us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j427x View Post
    they probably be full auto AK's getting brought in FROM mexico by then.

    only gang-bangers and cartels will have them.
    Would that operation be called, "Slow and well thought out?"

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    it is very expensive to enslave.
    why not make the slaves pay for their own demise?
    just pay the irs and pretend to be free...

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    Heard her on the radio the other day saying the ar-15 is not used for hunting and no hunter worth his salt would use such a rifle for hunting. WHAT REALLY And these are the people that are going to be writing the laws concerning firearms. God help us.

    GUN OWNERS SEEM TO HAVE FAILED IN SHOWING HOW THEY USE ARS AN OTHER GUNS FOR HUNTING.

    YEA YEA I KNOW WE DONT NEED TO.

    ID LOVE TO SEE MORE PICTURES AN VIDEOS OF ARS, AN AKS USED FOR HUNTING AN EVEN SHOOTING TARGETS . MY KID HUNTED WITH A AK FOR THE FIRST TWO YOUTH SEASONS WHEN HE WAS 10 AN 11 . VERY VERY SUPERVISED ILL GET A PIC POSTED . I HELPED A FATHER BUILD HIS SON A AK SPORTER FOR HUNTING AN GUYS HERE SENT STUFF FOR THE BUILD.
    THESE KIDS DO THER HOE WORK AN DONT SCREW UP PR THYE WILL NEVER SHOOOT AGAIN.

    IM PLANING ON SENDING A FEW PICS OF US HUNTING DEER WITH OUR AKS TO OUR LAW MAKERS.

    THEY LOVE TO SAY THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE USE. UNFORTUNATLY THERE ARE ABOUT 500 BUMP FIRING VIDEOS TO EVERY HUNTING OR EVEN TARGET SHOOTING VIDEO.

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    they say NO LEGITIMATE USE, but they also think of themselves as the deer when tyrant season is declared open. crafty devils they are...

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    from her own site this is a little differant from wht the NRA is claiming.. its also differant from what she said in meet the press.

    In January, Senator Feinstein will introduce a bill to stop the sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition feeding devices.

    To receive updates on this legislation, click here.

    Press releases

    Feinstein to Introduce Updated Assault Weapons Bill in New Congress, December 17, 2012
    Feinstein Statement on Connecticut School Shooting, December 14, 2012

    Television appearances

    Press conference, Dec. 21, 2012
    CNN’s Piers Morgan Tonight, Nov. 17, 2012
    PBS NewsHour with Gwen Ifill, Nov. 17, 2012
    MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell Reports, Nov. 17, 2012
    CBS’s Meet the Press with David Gregory, Nov. 16, 2012

    Summary of 2013 legislation

    Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

    Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
    120 specifically-named firearms;
    Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and
    Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
    Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
    Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test;
    Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test; and
    Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans.
    Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
    Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
    Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment;
    Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes; and
    Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons.
    Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
    Background check of owner and any transferee;
    Type and serial number of the firearm;
    Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
    Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
    Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.

    A pdf of the bill summary is available here.
    Effectiveness of 1994-2004 Assault Weapons Ban

    Following are studies that have been conducted on the 1994-2004 Assault Weapons Ban:

    In a Department of Justice study (pdf), Jeffrey Roth and Christopher Koper find that the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban was responsible for a 6.7 percent decrease in total gun murders, holding all other factors equal. They write: “Assault weapons are disproportionately involved in murders with multiple victims, multiple wounds per victim, and police officers as victims.”
    Original source (page 2): Jeffrey A. Roth & Christopher S. Koper, “Impact Evaluation of the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994,” The Urban Institute (March 1997).
    In a University of Pennsylvania study (pdf), Christopher Koper reports that the use of assault weapons in crime declined by more than two-thirds by about nine years after 1994 Assault Weapons Ban took effect.
    Original source (page 46): Christopher S. Koper, “An Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and Gun Violence, 1994-2003” (June 2004).
    In a Washington Post story, reporters David Fallis and James Grimaldi write that the percentage of firearms seized by police in Virginia with high-capacity magazines dropped significantly during the Assault Weapons Ban. That figure has doubled since the ban expired.
    Original source: In Virginia, high-yield clip seizures rise. By David S. Fallis and James V. Grimaldi, Washington Post.
    In a letter to the editor in the American Journal of Public Health (pdf), Douglas Weil and Rebecca Knox explain that when Maryland imposed a more stringent ban on assault pistols and high-capacity magazines in 1994, it led to a 55 percent drop in assault pistols recovered by the Baltimore Police Department.
    Original source (pages 297-298): Douglas S. Weil & Rebecca C. Knox, "Letter to the Editor, The Maryland Ban on the Sale of Assault Pistols and High-Capacity Magazines: Estimating the Impact in Baltimore," 87 American Journal of Public Health 2, Feb. 1997, at 297-98.
    A recent study by the Violence Policy Center finds that between 2005 and 2007, one in four law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty was killed with an assault weapon.
    Original source (pages 6-7): Violence Policy Center, "Target: Law Enforcement—Assault Weapons in the News," (Feb. 2010).
    A report by the Police Executive Research Forum finds that 37 percent of police departments reported seeing a noticeable increase in criminals’ use of assault weapons since the Assault Weapons Ban expired.
    Original source (page 2): Police Executive Research Forum, "Guns and Crime: Breaking New Ground by Focusing on the Local Impact," (May 2010).

    Assault weapons in the news

    "A Tougher Assault Weapons Ban" (New York Times, Dec. 28, 2012)
    "NRA misleads on assault weapons" (Salon, Dec. 26, 2012)
    "Dems to push for more sweeping assault weapons ban" (Washington Post, Dec. 20, 2012)
    "A conservative case for an assault weapons ban" (Los Angeles Times, Dec. 20, 2012)
    "Obama Vows Fast Action in New Push for Gun Control" (New York Times, Dec. 19, 2012)
    "Trying, again, to ban assault weapons" (Los Angeles Times, Dec. 17, 2012)
    "Stop the sale of assault weapons" (San Francisco Chronicle, Dec. 17, 2012)
    "Reason to Hope After the Newtown Rampage" (New York Times, Dec. 17, 2012)

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    you should not be required to show how you use your AK or ar--

    it dies not matter if you hunt with them or not --the 2nd is not about hunting it is about excessive government control over the citizens.

    the question really is --are we to remain citizens or are we to become SUBJECTS ???

    and subjects is what we will be IF we lose our 2n rights. after the second is de-fanged wanna bet they go after the 1st?

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