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    I finally decided to add a bit of commentary of my own on the Sandy Hook tragedy, with a focus on asking some hard questions about the larger issues, as I see them, involved in this tragedy.

    How and why was a clearly very mentally ill young man, who was obsessed with his severe violent computer gaming addition, and was about to be institutionalized, able so easily to gain access to firearms to begin with? Banning guns is the kneejerk emotional reaction to the situation, but it does not deal with the deeper issues raised by the whole incident.

    Here are my thoughts on the whole situation, for what is worth:


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    We don't have a drug problem, gang problem, or gun problem. We have a morality problem. How many of you are parents/grandparents and medicate or allow your little ones to be "calmed" with medication? It's not a coincidence that we medicate almost all school children and our (USA) ranking in world intelligence has dropped, along with long term psychological problems. This stems from not taking moral responsibility for raising and teaching the children because it's more difficult to do so if they're not calm.
    To a healthy mind, violence in video games and television/movies are not a problem. But to a foggy developing mind, could it be a different story? Parents should restrict viewing until the mind is mature enough to understand clearly right from wrong. This requires involvement in the child's life more than just coming home and feeding them. Parents need to know how mentally mature their children are, and quit doping them no matter what the school wants. Lets get back to raising responsible, healthy children: who want to play outside because it's fun, know when it's time to play and when it's time to be still because of teaching and training, not because they're high.

    We, as adults need to make better decisions, better MORAL decisions. Be careful who you sleep with. Children need a family unit, not just a visiting or part time father. Over 60% of our children are being born to unwed mothers. (I don't know if the following is factual, but it seems so) and most of them have more than one. How can one parent raise a child/children and work to support them on their own, and give the time necessary to support the growing mind? I don't know about your house, but by the time everyone gets home, meals cooked and eaten, clothes and dishes washed, house cleaned, ect, there's barely time with two people helping. All that to say, be responsible!
    If you choose not to believe in God, that's your choice. You probably were not told by your parents that there was no God, maybe some, but few. You were taken to church and allowed to make an informed decision. You owe the same to your child. I can't see any problem with having your child taught the commandments, good morals all of them. It also helps answer the question "Why Daddy" much better than "because that's the right way".
    This is just an opinion, and it's mine.
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    It's always the gun not the person... If he didnt have access to guns he would of used something else i am sure of it. It is very sad what happened but he should not been able to obtain the weapons . It not the gun its the person behind the gun...

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    I saw no "hard question" being asked or answered.
    The question is how does any sister-loving rat-basturd get their mind so warped as to think that the toys I may have in my closet have anything to do with ANY nut-job and the violence they might do. Sandy Hook, Aurora, Columbine. My guns weren't there. LEAVE ME THE PHUQUE ALONE.
    As for mental defectives? Don't care much about them either. It's not 'societys' job to care for them. It's the individual families' job. In the Sandy Hook fiasco, the person responsible, that allowed this to happen, just so happened to be the first victim. Don't pin that dumb bitch's screw-up on me.
    I've got other questions, but I'm tired. Good night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter_02 View Post
    I saw no "hard question" being asked or answered.
    The question is how does any sister-loving rat-basturd get their mind so warped as to think that the toys I may have in my closet have anything to do with ANY nut-job and the violence they might do. Sandy Hook, Aurora, Columbine. My guns weren't there. LEAVE ME THE PHUQUE ALONE.
    As for mental defectives? Don't care much about them either. It's not 'societys' job to care for them. It's the individual families' job. In the Sandy Hook fiasco, the person responsible, that allowed this to happen, just so happened to be the first victim. Don't pin that dumb bitch's screw-up on me.
    I've got other questions, but I'm tired. Good night.
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    Paul I think you put a lot thought into the video an I agreed with a lot of it especially the stuff about owners acting an being seen in a responsible way.

    I don't think there are any simple answers I wrote a long reply but the puter lost it.

    I respect your thought on the mentally ill an im not sure how to answer it. I see with all thats going on many people will be afraid to get help for fear they will loose gun rights.

    Im fearful that many will not seek help for depression, anxiety, marriage counseling or seek help for there kids . id be hesitant to take my son to a counselor if he got into trouble for fear of him getting a label. I'm lucky I have a good kid but I know people that have kids who need help. Will it become a time were dad is afraid to take Little Johnny who acted out at school tot he doctor because he's afraid he cant go hunting with him some day? I don't see a good answer I do think to many kids an people don't get called out for there actions.

    I SORT OF SEE IT THAT SOCIETY IS BROKEN AN WE HAVE LOST A LOT OF OUR MORALS WE HAVE NO ONE TO FEEL SHAMEFUL BEFORE. WE NOW ACT LIKE IT DOSENT MATTER WHO KNOWS . FOR SOME RELIGION WAS THE GLUE THAT KEPT US IN CHECK FOR OHTERS IT WAS FAMIALY. WE HAVE LOT A LOT OF VALUSE IN BOTH THOSE AREAS
    WE HAVE HAD TV FOR ABOUT 60 YEARS AN IT US WHO ALLOW WHAT ON IT AN ITS US WHO ASK FOR MORE VIOLENCE ON IT SO WHO IS TO BLAME?????

    I ALSO THINK MANY GUN OWNERS NEED TO ACESS WHY THEY HAVE THERE WEAPONS AN IF THERE MAKING GOOD CHOICES AS AHOW THEY ACT WITH THEM?

    ANY WAY I FELT THE VIDEO WAS DONE RESPONSABLY

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    Good vid Amsdorf

    I respect your thought on the mentally ill an im not sure how to answer it. I see with all thats going on many people will be afraid to get help for fear they will loose gun rights.
    This is going to turn into a real problem in the future.
    On top of that, most people who have mental problems are treated with drugs, & I feel that those drugs do more harm than good.
    All they do is mask the symptoms, & when those folks skip a pill or two they seem worst off than ever before

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    no one has looked at whatever drugs Rx legal or otherwise the murder may have been involved with.

    some of the meds for mental illness have SEVERE side effects some of which cause psyco-breakdowns.

    it is just more easy for the government to blame a firearm than review their own policy to the mentally ill and the Rx they take.

    there are tens of thosuands like the killer out there in the world taking various meds with unknown side effects that could go haywire at any time.

    and the big Rx companys are raking the $$$ in on very expensive drugs that either don't work or cause the very mental problem it is supposed to treat. all paid for with your tax dollars--


    it is all a big money grab by the politically connected government insiders and the big $$$ people don't want that to go away.

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    All we really know is what the media has told us. And the media has been wrong about every single thing so far. Has there been anything official that he was actually mentally ill and going to be Committed or just the new story saying that he was? I also get concerned when the media can get medical records easier than my doctor can . It would be nice if the police reports and everything about this case get released before politician start making recommendations about passing laws. I'm sure that everything about this case has been. Imbelished by the media. I myself and quick to point out he played video games. the truth is we don't know what video games be played how many video games be played or if you even really played video games. for all we really know the only video game he had was pong. Just because anti-gun people are having a knee jerk reaction doesn't mean that we need to do the same with all kinds of rhetoric about what else was wrong with him. Again it would be nice to hear some real facts about what actually happened there. so far all of our information is based on interviews with landscapers and pizza delivery guys and stuff like that. Were is the dad? He had brother what is the brother saying? where are the fax to this case instead of pictures of poor kids that have been killed and stuff like that?

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    I could give a rats ass about whats wrong with him, his brother or his little faggot mental problems..

    Eyewitnesses place him at a mass murder scene. Get the piece of craps face out of the news. Give the little queer his due process mandated by the Constitution of the United States of America and then fry him.

    Message to next asshole that wants to shoot the crowd up.

    YOU WILL BE PUBLICLY HUMILIATED DURING YOUR EXECUTION.

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