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    Well as a Former Marine, DiOrio's stance sickens and disturbs me. His refusal to uphold the 2nd Amendment, that he swore an oath to protect, is disgusting. If you don't agree with the Constitution, then you don't swear an oath to protect it. If you did take that oath, then you should abide by it. As far as I'm concerned my oath had no expiration date.
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    Idk what hoops you jump thru during a background check but It only causes me a 5min wait to get a non nfa gun. Nothing will stop a determined individual from committing a crime. but supply criminals with guns legaly is just plain stupid. In your mind why have ANY laws at all hell making murder illegal never stopped anybody. Laws dont prevent anything they only deter the halfhearted. telling someone to go kill themselves is just ignorant, and its statements like that that make gun owners look and sound crazy and dont help the cause at all.

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    the military has changed so much since i retired.

    hell i was reading a story in "readers digest" about some jar-head that had a "rainbow" patch on his uniform and the powers that be let him wear it not to offend the gay community and all--

    and i was like thinking "when did the USMC ever worry about offending anyone?"


    i blame it on our leftist education system --it is brainwashing kids and they grow up into communists/socialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndAmendican View Post
    Well as a Former Marine, DiOrio's stance sickens and disturbs me. His refusal to uphold the 2nd Amendment, that he swore an oath to protect, is disgusting. If you don't agree with the Constitution, then you don't swear an oath to protect it. If you did take that oath, then you should abide by it. As far as I'm concerned my oath had no expiration date.
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    Background checks should be stopped.

    I have only had two approvals after background checks by the FBI. The first took about a year and involved letters and many telephone calls. Of course, an approval after a year is worthless.

    The second approval only came after I had drove the 75 miles back home from the Gun Show. There were many denials for purchase.

    I have owned, and still do own, submachines guns since 1968. I was also a FFL dealer, a licensed machinegun dealer, and a licensed gun manufacturer.

    I am also retired US Military.

    ....and the FBI can't do a quick background check and approval on me.

    Heck, when I applied for a CCW, it took the Department of Public Safety FIVE months to get approval from the FBI for the CCW. The FBI still refused to provide any information on me to the Department of Public safety.

    Which brings up the question...what does the FBI know about me that I don't know, and which can't be released to the State??

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    In Oregon I point at the gun, say 'gimme', hand them my drivers lic. The salesperson calls the OSP, says "Hey Wanda, got a name for you to run... Yea the kids are good, hows yours? good! Name is...my name...No felonies? Ok thanks! See you soon. *click* okay sir will that be cash or card?"

    It doesnt bother me, because I know quite a few felons in Oregon that have firearms, and didnt buy it through a store/FFL dealer. So the background check, while mostly pointless, is there because it is there.

    I cant say i appreciate the comments made by some on here, but am in complete agreement with those that agree that an Oath is an Oath, and it does not expire. If i ever decide to break the Oath I took on April 20th 2003, I will be sure to send everyone my forwarding adress in Venezuela.... But that just isnt gonna happen.

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    If you don't agree with the Constitution, then you don't swear an oath to protect it. If you did take that oath, then you should abide by it. As far as I'm concerned my oath had no expiration date.
    WELL SAID.

    AS FAR AS GUYS HAVING TROUBLE WITH BACK GROUND CHECKS I THINK THAT THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR IT ON THE AGENCY DOING IT . IF THEY CAN CHECK YOUR CREDIT IN 5 MINUTES THAY CERTAINLY TELL IF YOUR A CRIMINAL OR HAVE BEEN DELCARED MENTLAY ILL.

    IMO THE SYSTEM IS BROKE AN I HAVE KNOWN GUYS WHO GOT A NO ON THERE APPLICATION AN IT TOOK A YEAR PLUS TO GET THERE MISTAKS FIXED AS WELL. I GET DELAYED 50% OF THE TIME . I FEEL THE SYTEM NEEDS TO BE UNIFED BETWEEN STATES IF THERE IS GOING TO BE ONE, AN IT NEEDS TO BE KEPT CURRENT AN IT SHOULD NOT EVEN NEED A PHONE CALL. RUN THE NAME AN SS NUMBER ITS GOOD OR NOT AN IT SHOULD BE $20 OR LESS AN A 5 MINUTE DEAL. IM NOT FOR BACK GROUND CHECKS BUT IF WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM A DEALERS THEN MAKE IT WORK. YEA CRIMINALS WILL STEAL GUNS BUT NOT EVERY NUT JOB OR SUCIDAL IDIOT IS A GRIMINAL . I PERSONALLY DONT THINK A CONVICTED CRIMINAL SHOULD BE ABLE TO WALK INTO A STORE AN BUY A GUN. HE LOST HIS RIGHTS WHN HE BROKE THE LAW. I ALSO DONT HINK A MENTAL PATIANT THAT HIS BEEN FOUND INSANE OR WHAT EVER SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO BUY OINE EITHER. SURE THEY STILL MIGHT STEAL ONE BUT AT LEAST IT WONT BE A STORE OR ME SELLING IT TO THEM.

    THE SYTEM IS FLAWED AN IT NEEDS TO BE BETTER NO ARGUMENT. IF WERE STUCK WITH IT ID LIKE TIO SEE IT FIXED.

    I LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET A GUN OUT OF MY NAME WHEN I SELL IT AN I RECENTLY HAD A ISSUE WERE I CONSIDERED SELLING A PERSON A GUN AN HE WAS A VERY VERY BAD MAN UNKNOWN TO ME.

    I RESPECT APOSINGING OPINIONS AS THERE JUST AS VALID AS MINE . IN A PERFECT WORLD NUT JOBS WOULD NOT TRY TO BUY GUNS AS IT WAS AGANST THE LAW FOR THEM TO TRY. I AM ALSO FEAR FULL THAT REASON FOR SAYING NO WILL BECOME MORE PLENTUFUL AN IM AFRAID THAT OUR MEDICAL RECORDS WILL BE REVIEWED AN IM TOTALY AGAINST THIS.

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    Idk what hoops you jump thru during a background check but It only causes me a 5min wait to get a non nfa gun. Nothing will stop a determined individual from committing a crime. but supply criminals with guns legaly is just plain stupid. In your mind why have ANY laws at all hell making murder illegal never stopped anybody. Laws dont prevent anything they only deter the halfhearted. telling someone to go kill themselves is just ignorant, and its statements like that that make gun owners look and sound crazy and dont help the cause at all.
    I never told anyone to go kill themselves.. I said
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    if they had any honor.. I'll put it a different way.. If they (Marines) don't believe the things, they made an oath to uphold.. they should at least keep their mouth shut..on the subject.. and give up all their rights to vote, religion, and all the other rights under the Constitution. If you take one away, they all will fall... a lot of good men died to gain us these right, and it's very disrespectful to those dead hero's to piss away our hard earned freedoms, because of a few nut cases.. or to be A political compromises.. weapons don't kill people, it's a trigger pull and a person behind the weapon.. that kills people.. People killed People Long before the invention of Fire Arms..

    As far as Hoops.. and stupid goes.. I'll outline the hoops some states require.. 1) a Finger print 2) a gun safe or gun Lock 3) a paper record and or electronic record 4) one gun a month 5) Magazine Capacity restrictions 6) A waiting period of many days...you may wait 5 min today, but tomorrow with a federal ban you may wait 10 or more days to pick up a gun soon...7) proof of residency, more paperwork 8) Safe handling Demo (more paperwork) 8) Registration in the states computer data base avail to any LEO on a traffic stop. 9) Safe gun roster (only tested and approved guns are allowed to be sold in that state) even the same model with a different finish is not allowed..unless tested separately ot manufacturers expense.. 10) Handgun Safety Certificate cards or permits $25 more paperwork and money 11) DROS paperwork fees to the state $25 more of your hard earned money.. 12) state taxes (more money)

    The Criminal has none of those problems, it's open the trunk, hand over the cash and off to WORK they go.... you need to read a book. The truth about self protection by Massad Ayoob (Author) it will lay down some the gun myths.. Making murder illegal is for prosecution not prevention. There are a lot of people who need killing, I hate to say.. The Marines do it for a living..B2B

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    those hoops are all STATE imposed tho here in PA you fill out 1 form for a longgun, 2 for a pistol (the second form is bs) they callit in and you leave 5-10 min total. Same for a ccw license. I lived in hawaii for a few years and it wasnt worth tryn to get a gun out there, again its state law. if you dont like the state laws move there arev plenty of gun friendly states.

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    I get delayed over 50% of the time becouse I was charged twice with DV by Cincinnati police.I was never convicted but it shows up on my background check.I prefer to buy my stuff FTF as I don't think the government needs to know what I have.
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