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    I have No Problem IF they can carry a 90 lb backpack ( its like a workout on its own ) and Help move a Wounded Solider to cover ( and thats like 230 to 250 lbs there, to drag anyones a zz behind something at where to protect them or him ) .....

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    In general I think it's a bad thing, but having said that, IF the women can perform physically and emotionally as well as a man, then go for it.

    I don't think it will be as romantic as GI Jane, but the one thing mentioned in that movie was that even if the woman can perform perfect, the men are still going to naturally make poor decisions to "protect" the women soldiers, as compared to male soldiers.
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    Fourty some years ago when I got out of the service People were talking about women in combat rolls.
    One time at a restaurant four middle aged women debated the pro's of this adnausium until I couldn't take it any more so I interupted and asked "Do any of you think that women can be in combat, in the dirt and mud, with no shower, for week at a time, and not come down with an infection of some sort?"
    The discussion ended abruptly and I was able to finish my lunch.
    I was told by the waitress afterwards that two of the women were a rape crisis couselors, one was a lawyer. None of them had thought of some basic facts in there fight for women's rights, such as hygein.

    BUT! In modern times I'm sure the troops are afforded the opportunity to shower more than twice a month and my arguement no longer has merit. But I must contend that the natural tendancy for males to protect females would be a real threat to both genders. Add to this the fact that most of the individuals who enlist to serve in the US military are the "protecting type"'personality. Much like those that want to become doctors, nurses, and law enforcement.
    Dispite what some people believe, not everyone joins up to be a dick.
    So I see mixed combat troops as an obstacle for troop safety.

    I personaly would not have a problem taking orders from a female Lt. or Cptn. in the field. I would be trying to protect my male commander just the same as a female commander.



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    Glad I don't have to make a policy descision on this one.


    I suppose that some might feel justified in saying that we as a people can not be truely free and equal until women can serve in combat without restriction.
    I caution for the use of common sense regarding this.

    With the crew we have running things nowadays I hope the policy makers have at least one foot in reality and not anebreated by extreme liberalization training.
    I'm gonna stop now, before I truely piss someone off. I want to say more but I better not.

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    More lame leftist PC crap !!!
    The military has been subjected to such social experiments for the past four decades. Combined with today's play for pay mentality the military arm of this nation ever more closely resembles that of ancient Rome. The costs of such bankrupted the Romans when they exhaused the places to loot and the former hostiles moved in to live the good life.

    Yes, the Soviets in WW-II employed female combat troops as snipers, fighter pilots, etc. That was done out of shear desperation. When the war ended so did that policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abukai08 View Post
    Well first of all... I'm a Marine meaning I am in the business of following orders. With that being said, if they say I have to fight next to a woman there is nothing I can do about it as I do not make policy I just enforce it as a leader of Marines.

    My only thought on this subject is this... The Marine Corps has been effective in completing the mission for 237 years. Is implementing this policy going to aid us in completing the mission better? If not and the only reason for this is to make a small percent (about 13% of the USMC is women) feel better then they are doing this for the wrong reasons.

    Any woman Marine who says it is for promotion opportunities should know better because they already know combat has a miniscule impact on promotions. So if this is for bragging rights or just to make a person "Feel" like something then all it is, is a feel good policy which it is a bad decision. This is the difference between someone making it home to their family and not a social experiment.

    The last thing I am going to say about it as a combat vet of both Iraq and Afghanistan to the women who are pushing for this is... Be very careful what you wish for. There is nothing glorious about combat. Knowing somone is trying to shoot you to end your life is not a fun feeling or something that makes you more proud to be you. Our responsibility is to defend the nation and, at times, take lives... This is not to make you feel like one of the boys.
    I agree with you 100% I am a former jarhead and to all Sisters thank you for your service1 and to those who may read this that are deployed becareful over there and keep aleart no matter how tired you are! it just may save your hide. As for my personal fellings in the matter, Combat is no place for a women Killing is a nasty bussiness and at the present time business is Good!
    I firmly believe that those serving in the middle eastern theater are going to find out the hard way that eas dates dont mean a thing anymore! Going into a combat role for a battle field promoation is not the way to go about it. You are there for as long as they need you or until your body is so used up your on a medivac flight out of country, or have paid the ultamate sacrfice. The current administration is globe hopping from one country to another, its not hard to figure out that when the prez says we will be out of a certain coutry by a certain date , he already has another country to go to and start fighting
    in my opinion Obama is becomming a dictator whom, dose not care about troops he commands, they are just pawns in the great military gane of chess.
    Its a pretty well kniow fact there is no way to win any of these conflicts and wars without turning those countries into permanate parking lots with very little occupancy. Every second term Presedent has a scandle in thier second term. So far obama has started gun control, and the next thing that will roll down the hill and has started is women in combat. ok fine its not like we are against the NVA or Northean korean troops which by the way are very good at what they do, but niow wew area against not just a country but the way I see it , its the whold damm islamic natiion. remember these terroists kill in many diffrent ways and they woukld love to make an example of an american female sholder by decapitating her or even worse, and if the shit really hits the fan, Surprise since you can now go into combat roles you can now be elegiable for the DRAFT its only a matter of time.Myself Id becarefull what one wishes for, due to the fact not only will you get it but get it in spades I wish you all a safe return from the infested countries you are in and to com back home in one peice, As your brothers in arms wil tell you killing is not glamerious and as time goes by yu will feel the effect of it.
    All the Best <<<Doc

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    my guess this is more "smoke screen" make a controversy to take up air time and gab time --while he sneaks in a few boners on us tax payers.

    naw the big "O" don't give a damn about americans or the "boots" the girls in combat to him are just to divert attention from his other fuck-ups and get some brownie/leftist points with the feminist/communists.

    i doubt there is any consideration to casualties or combat effectiveness.

    or what is going to happen when a bunch of females are captured by al-quaida or tango.

    the important thing to the obamma administration is it makes the left happy TODAY.

    the girls in combat are just pawns to him as are the rest of the armed forces, till he needs them for something.

    and while attention is diverted he can go ape on the budget and gun control.

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    I have two sons and a son-in-law in the service now. Their biggest concern and it has been posted before, is can a small woman soldier in full battle dress and armor drag a wounded man to safety in a rapid fashion?

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