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    Gun Shows Exploding in Attendance



    Well Obama did it. Gun shows and sales are soaring. When Katrina hit, there was no rule of law. People had to protect their own property from criminals who if Obama has his way, will be the only people armed. The police even abandoned the prisons leaving many to drown and without food. Their policy – better a dead prisoner than a live one. But the problem is, local prisons have even traffic offenders. Only 4% of prisoners are there for violence.

    New Orleans prisoners left to drown after Katrina struck - World Socialist Web Site

    Leave the house without ID, and you will go to jail! A college student was thrown in jail in NYC because she left her ID in the hotel room. Why do you think the French Revolution started with freeing the prisoners on Bastille Day?

    New York City cop imprisons college student without ID for two days | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

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    hell you had me scared for a minute!


    i thought finkstine might have planted a bomb or something!

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    I went to a gunshot this weekend. The lines to get in we're ridiculous ! While waiting in the 45 minute line , the fire department showed up to check the capacity of the building.
    I brought along a Tantal that I liked but have never really been thrilled with. I could have sold it twice in the parking lot. After shuffling through the crowd for awhile and getting a little worried with the strange assortment of people I was with, I sold it for $800 and got the heck out of there.
    The accidental shootings at the shows lately do not seem as unlikely now that I've seen what is going on. It will be awhile before I go back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j427x View Post
    hell you had me scared for a minute!


    i thought finkstine might have planted a bomb or something!
    A staged shooting wouldn't work at a gunshow. Airport lines seem to be a more plausible shock scenario.

    Homeland Security training TSA workers to save themselves in shooting | Washington Times Communities
    WASHINGTON, January 26, 2013 ― Transportation Security Administration (TSA) checkpoint screeners are receiving training to prepare them for the possibility of a mass shooting at one of the agency’s airport checkpoints, and those TSA personnel are being instructed to “save themselves” should a shooting occur.

    It is unclear whether the TSA is conducting the reported mass shooting scenario training at airports around the nation or only at the airport where our source, a veteran of the TSA, is assigned. The TSA source claims with obvious concern that his own life, along with the lives of other unarmed TSA personnel, would be in grave danger were an airport checkpoint shooting to unfold.

    The TSA screener, who claims to have recently undergone agency training during which TSA personnel were confronted with a chilling checkpoint shooting scenario, now tries to remain aware of how to get out alive were such a shooting to unfold.

    “Every day when I arrive for work, I look for an escape route in case someone opens fire,” said the TSA worker. “We have been told to save ourselves.”

    Does the TSA already have intelligence about a possible future checkpoint shooting?

    It is unclear whether the alleged training is simply a prudent attempt by the agency to protect its own employees from every imaginable contingency. Fears are that the Department of Homeland Security has detected a threat and is already moving to prepare staff to either handle it or get out of the way.

    Considering the full range of possible reasons for the alleged TSA training, it would be hard to say whether the agency actually expects a checkpoint shooting.

    The events surrounding the Christmas Day 2009 “underwear bomber” incident, however, provide reason to pay close attention to the details of Homeland Security’s operations.

    Shortly after the “underwear bomber” attempted to detonate an explosive device onboard Northwest Airlines flight 253, an Airbus A330 flying into Detroit from Amsterdam, a witness who saw the bomber board the flight approached the FBI with information about the events that day. His information suggests that the U.S. Government knew that 23-year-old Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was a threat to air safety, and that it may even have taken steps to assure that the bomber actually got on board the flight.

    Michigan attorney Kurt Haskell, a 2012 Democratic Congressional candidate who lost to incumbent Tim Walberg (R-MI), stated by way of a Victim Impact Statement during Abdulmutallab’s sentencing hearing in federal court that while he and his wife Lori waited to board the flight in Amsterdam, he observed a well-dressed man help the bomber board the flight without a passport.

    CNN Video: Kurt and Lori Haskell Interview

    Haskell is convinced that “a federal agent gave Abdulmutallab a defective bomb to carry onto the plane to create an incident that would cause the government to install full body scanners at airports nationwide,” according to USAToday.

    "Regardless of how media and government try to shape this case, I am convinced that Umar was given an intentionally defective bomb by a U.S. agent,” Haskell says.

    Haskell’s account of the events in Amsterdam was originally reported in the Detroit News.

    Reached by phone on Friday, Haskell said that the alleged TSA training for a checkpoint shooting “doesn’t surprise me at all” and voiced fears that the government might be involved in such an incident.

    “As a first-hand eyewitness to a proven false flag attack, I know that the government does stage fake attacks to further governmental policy,” Haskell said.

    Patrick F. Kennedy, Undersecretary of State for Management, told the House Committee on Homeland Security on January 27, 2010, that Abdulmutallab’s visa was not revoked by the State Department due to a national security override from within the intelligence and law enforcement community related to a larger al-Qaeda investigation.

    The name of the agency was not publicly disclosed during the hearing and implications were left unexplained.

    CNN Video: Patrick F. Kennedy, Undersecretary of Sate for Management

    Haskell observes, “An airport is the perfect place setting to stage their play.”

    "Terrorism" is defined as the systematic use of terror, especially as a means of coercion. Haskell believes that the government is willing to and has already terrorized the American public by staging fictitious attacks to coerce the acceptance of new government policies.

    Extrapolating on that scenario, the acceptance by the public and members of Congress of new gun restrictions would constitute only the latest policy initiative pursued through a program based on the implementation of terror.

    While in France, President Obama authorized the use of an autopen to sign into law the extension of three key components of the USA PATRIOT Act on May 26, 2011.

    Were another major shooting to unfold in the midst of congressional debate over additional gun control legislation, such as Diane Feinstein’s proposed assault weapons ban, the ensuing crisis could sway wavering members of Congress to support the new gun restrictions.

    The TSA employee who disclosed the existence of the checkpoint shooting training, when asked about the possibility that TSA personnel were being set up for a staged checkpoint shooting, responded “I hope the government wouldn’t do something like that.”

    TSA screeners are not sworn law enforcement officers, and unlike airport police officers, do not carry firearms.

    The primary mission of the TSA is to protect commercial aircraft and the passengers travelling on them from terrorism threats.

    TSA checkpoints separate airport “sterile” areas in close proximity to aircraft – where only ticketed passengers, airport workers, and airline crews are permitted – from “nonsterile” areas accessible to all members of the general public. Nonsterile areas typically include airline ticketing and car rental counters, baggage claim belts, and passenger pick-up and drop-off zones.

    TSA screeners at the checkpoints look for weapons, explosives, and suspicious travelers who could present a threat to an aircraft, but like everyone else at airports around the country, they count on airport police for armed protection.

    Airport police officers, often under the supervision of a city or county law enforcement agency within the municipality where the airport is located, provide armed protection at large airports and have full powers to detain and arrest individuals.

    Airport police officers are typically required to have graduated from a police academy, where cadets undergo firearms training,

    TSA “officers” wear badges and law enforcement style uniforms, but are not sworn law enforcement officers and initially receive only about 80 hours of new-hire training.

    Last June, the House of Representatives voted 131-282 against an amendment to the Department of Homeland Security Bill that would have blocked DHS from spending money on official-looking uniforms.

    Arming TSA checkpoint workers who are not sworn law enforcement officers would likely elicit backlash from some of the travelling public and from members of Congress who view current TSA screening procedures as overly invasive, and in some instances reaching the threshold of criminal sexual assault as defined by state laws.

    TSA Practices "stop" drill (raw video)

    A previously unheard of TSA “all-stop” airport freeze drill become widely known after video of a drill being conducted at Phoenix’s Sky Harbor Airport emerged on YouTube in September 2012. During the drill, passengers were ordered to “stay right where you are” after passing through the checkpoint.

    On October 1, 2012, Arizona radio station KTAR quoted TSA spokesman Nico Melendez saying, “they use ‘all-stop drills’ to help prepare employees for a security breach ... They're called in case something happens at the checkpoint where we need to have everyone stop to be able to identify a problem or an issue.”

    Because TSA checkpoint workers have no authority to detain people, however, it appears that passengers would not have actually been required to “freeze” unless ordered to do so by law enforcement.

    A mass shooting at a TSA checkpoint would not only be a tragedy for the families of those passengers and TSA workers killed, but would likely lead to even more calls for gun control measures, as well as discussions of arming TSA workers, propositions that would likely face stiff resistance.

    As Americans grow increasingly fatigued by their experiences at TSA checkpoints, there have been calls from some quarters to scale back or eliminate the agency altogether.

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    Yeah I went to a Fun Show a little over a week ago and it took me an hour just to get in the door. I haven't waited in a line that long since I voted. I wasn't very impressed with the prices at all. But accessories were pretty low priced because people were pretty much just there for guns & ammo.
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    We just had one over the weekend, and it was packed.

    It was worse than a can of sardines, just attempting to find at what you wanted to find.

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    Went to a show in my AO last weekend.
    The lines were wrapped around the building.
    Didn't really need anything so I bailed.
    Friend of mine made it in and said what everyone else is saying, crazy high prices and almost no ammo.

    Shooter

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    quite the opposite I went to a collector show mostly collectables very small show no line not a lot of guys NO young gamers looking for a ak or ar they had a few for sale but the prices started at $1200 ak also around a grand, mag were expensive I did see one ar upper A-1 I bought this same A-1 from the same dealer I paid $300 last year to yesterday it was $575, he also had small rifle primers $ 40 per thousand ouch!!
    prices for collectables were through the roof. dealers were complaining no one was buying ???? who could afford it
    another show next week interesting to see the contrast
    this was in ft myers sw florida
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfreakofkorn View Post
    We just had one over the weekend, and it was packed.

    It was worse than a can of sardines, just attempting to find at what you wanted to find.
    Roger that.. That sure as hell was not a picture of a fun show in Florida that Black Blade put up..
    Hell down here they have the Fire Dept. at each show to keep the rooms from reaching "over capacity."
    8,000 at the last fun show in Orlando.. Keep running your friggen stupid jibs Feinstink and crew, American taint listening..
    "Man needs but two things to survive alone in the woods. A blow up female doll and his trusty old AK-47" - Thomas Jefferson 1781


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    I was going to go over the weekend here in GA but saw a cell phone pic of the line, I changed my mind, If I want to see over priced gun stuff, Ill look at Gunbroker at home.
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