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Mr Zimmerman is Free

6K views 114 replies 30 participants last post by  Black Blade 
#1 ·
Hope your powder's dry people.
We won this one.
Hunter
 
#48 ·
Nah. You see this is America and we are allowed here to have different opinions than the courts, than the media, than our government and even a group of people on a gun forum. That's all it is really. The funny thing is you all claim to want the old America back but my bet is you would have shouted down some of the founding Father's and their radical, at the time, viewpoints. It's also funny that the pattern here is not to debate me on what I believe, but to attack me personally. Generally in a debate that is a sign you are admitting you lost, you didn't do enough research to debate on the topic, or that you are just a moron. Now, I don't think anyone here is a moron,not in the least.

How many of you still gripe on occasion about the OJ trial verdict? By your standards you should just shut up and accept it. Because that is what you are telling me now. Sorry, I don't play that way and I don't back down when I think I am right. Frankly, you don't have to like it either. I haven't broken any terms of service here simply by having a different opinion.

Does the law say he had a right to defend himself? YES, it does. That to me isn't the point of guilt or innocence. The point of guilt or innocence comes in from Zimmerman being close enough, to what he perceived a volatile enough of a situation to dial 911 and ask for the police, to allow a confrontation to occur. If he remains or returns to his car no confrontation occurs, no fight ensues, and no death occurs.
 
#55 ·
Exactly Black Blade.
The weather really sucked here so I watched the whole damn thing, start to finish.

I watched the case ,,live,, and saw and heard all the testimony and at the end, by time lines, PD reports, 911 tapes and witness statements the facts were quite clear that martin was the aggressor, period,, the witness's say so, and every other piece of info substantiates that.
One , Mr Good, saw travon pushing around Zimmerman before they were on the ground,another guy, don't recall the name, saw "m" on top of "Z" "MMA Style" thrashing/ punching/slamming in a downward motion. A female witness heard arguing and struggle later heard the screaming for help from Z and then the shot as the second male witness substantiated seeing and hearing the same but from a different angles. All this time all the witness's that called were on the phone with 911 and being recorded, from that they were able to build an actual time line of what happened from these recordings. Other than the initial 2-3 seconds of this confrontation, there was one or other of the witness's actually viewing what was going on, most of the time several and 2 heard the initial "younger sounding voice" confronting someone,,,whom it later turned out to be Z . So between actual eyes on, and witness's hearing the voices and the actual recorded 911 tapes this total incident is documented one way or the other, just no eyes on for the first 2-3 seconds when the initial arguing voices were heard, but several eyes on from just before they tumbled to the ground, till the end.

The only thing that wasn't witnessed was the actual initial punch,,,, but Z sure didn't punch himself and was returning to his vehicle. The time line proved, by the 911 recordings, that it happened between 2-3 seconds before the first guy looked out his patio door to see the struggle underway after hearing the voices. And by the first witness's account, the lady in the corner apt,, of a younger sounding voice saying "what are you following me for" were the first accounts of trouble. The corner apartment was on the way back to Z's truck.Which is exactly within this 2-3 second time frame before anyone saw anybody, eluding to the fact that M had confronted Z first. Then all the other witness's seeing different parts of the fight from different vantage points pretty much sealed the deal with collaborating statements and covered almost the complete confrontation start to finish other than those first 2-3 seconds.

Sorry FU your blowing smoke this time, I watched it all. Hell disagree all you want, it's your prerogative to do so, but this time you don't have all the facts and obviously didn't watch the actual testimony. You missed several key things. But believe me ,,,,, it WAS,,, a dog and pony show, no wonder this countries court system is so dysfunctional !!!!! I wanted to reach through the screen and punch the prosecutors,,, mostly conjecture and what if's on there part with no proof of anything, even from there own witness's. Pretty sad example of American justice at work,,, if you ask me!

The whole thing is a mute point anyways,,, there wasn't even enough evidence to bring charges to start with,, by most states laws and legal standards, and the jury spoke besides, weather anyone agrees or not , it is what it is, a done deal.

It's just the racist blacks we'll have to contend with now. I'm afraid to say It's far from over yet.

Sadly
Brother MLK must be turning in his grave in disgust !
 
#60 ·
This happened only about 30 miles from my home, and was a local story for me. From the beginning, I heard the media outright lying about what happened, posting 12 y/o pictures of Trayvon Martin, editing 911 tapes to make it look like George Zimmerman offered up the race of Trayvon instead of being asked specifically by the 911 dispatcher. I have listened to the race baiters and their media accomplices twist the facts and outright make up things and lie about and twist the real facts.

But, I did something radical...I actually read the original police reports, including on the scene interviews with witnesses who actually saw and heard things within minutes to a few hours of the event. I saw the photographs, which were taken on the scene, of Zimmerman's injuries. I read Zimmerman's account of what happened, and saw his videotaped walk through at the scene with the detectives made the following day.

Any rational person with a computer, or news media organization, had access to the same information. From the beginning, all FACTUAL information supported Zimmerman's account, or at least did not dispute it in any way.

The many lies include a contention that Zimmerman was told to stay in his car (not in the tape at all); that Zimmerman was told not to follow him, but did so anyway (he was asked if he was following by the dispatcher, said yes, and was told "we don't need you to do that", and he replied "OK". Zimmerman says he then started walking back to his car, not provable, but no evidence disputes his assertion that he immediately complied with the request.)

I sparred with FyredUp on numerous occasions about this case, and I see he is still repeating the same lies put forth by the race baiters and biased media, stating his opinions as fact, and operating based on emotion and his own bias instead of truly looking at FACTS.

I watched much of the trial, and saw the defense use the FACTS to win the case, whereas the prosecution used innuendo, emotion, and unproven allegations in a wholesale attempt to send Zimmerman to prison for, given the facts, defending himself!

I learned a bit more watching the trial that I did not know earlier, although the original police reports and witness statements essentially proved the case. The most stunning thing I learned was that there was a 4 minute gap in the timeline, which was constructed by the 911 calls, in which Trayvon was out of Zimmerman's sight. Trayvon's family friend's home was approximately 100 yards from the scene of the event...so Trayvon had 4 full minutes to run, walk, or even crawl to the safety of that home. If he did not wish to confront Zimmerman, he had 4 minutes to get away....go figure...
 
#62 ·
Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
All well and good. It wasn't Zimmerman's property that Trayvon was on. Zimmerman disobeyed the dispatcher and approached Trayvon. Got his ass beat for his meddling and then when he was losing the fight shot and killed Trayvon. How to avoid the situation? Follow law enforcement's advice and don't get physically involved.
Ok, now there you go saying something again that is factually incorrect....... I have seen you repeat this line several times and nobody has said anything so I have actually read the transcript and it does not match what you say happened!!!

Once the 911 operator said that they did not need him(zimmerman) to follow the suspect he said 'ok' and stopped trying to follow martin, at no point did the 911 operator tell him stay in your car!!! after he complied with the recommendations of the 911 operator he was heading back to his car and ran into martin.
What do facts have to do with FU's thinking ? he thinks zimmerman should have jsut ignored the fact a stranger was standing under one of his neighbors eves in the rain he thinks that the leader of the neighbor hood watch should just ignore what going on when its not his night , he thinks suspiciuos people should not be watched to see were they go . he thinks that that little travonthe candy dandy should have been allowed to wander around unwatched in the dark in the rain away were he was suspesed to be in peoples yards unchecked . he thinks that no one should bother him or report him . he thinks trayvon had the right to attack some one who was looking to see were he went becusae as a balck under age suspoended drug user his rights out weight every one who lives there . he thinks Zinmeran should have just taken a beating an maybe been killed .

IMO zimmerman carried a gun for safety an he is lucky he had it or he might be dead . travon a zillion options an he took the wrong one .

The most stunning thing I learned was that there was a 4 minute gap in the timeline, which was constructed by the 911 calls, in which Trayvon was out of Zimmerman's sight. Trayvon's family friend's home was approximately 100 yards from the scene of the event...so Trayvon had 4 full minutes to run, walk, or even crawl to the safety of that home. If he did not wish to confront Zimmerman, he had 4 minutes to get away....go figure...
yeap he could have been home easy especially since he was running initaly . I reliazed that initaly when iactual looked at the pictures an arials of the sceane last year. he chose to stop chat how tough he was with his GF an then decided to confront Zimmeran. MY gut tells me he had no intention of going home right away .

he made a big mistake an it cost him his life . Smokin gpot can lead to bad decisions . Had Zimmerman not been packing little travon who is not little would be bragging how he taught the creppy ass cracker a lesson for following his ass down in the hood. IMO not smart attacking people in a conciled carry state they might be able to fight back .

the JD is looking onto civil rights charges now an Holder is saying he will push the matter .
 
#66 ·
What do facts have to do with FU's thinking ? he thinks zimmerman should have jsut ignored the fact a stranger was standing under one of his neighbors eves in the rain he thinks that the leader of the neighbor hood watch should just ignore what going on when its not his night , he thinks suspiciuos people should not be watched to see were they go . he thinks that that little travonthe candy dandy should have been allowed to wander around unwatched in the dark in the rain away were he was suspesed to be in peoples yards unchecked . he thinks that no one should bother him or report him . he thinks trayvon had the right to attack some one who was looking to see were he went becusae as a balck under age suspoended drug user his rights out weight every one who lives there . he thinks Zinmeran should have just taken a beating an maybe been killed .

Can any of you guys read? Can a single one of you debate something without personally attacking someone with another point of view? Can any of you actually argue against something I actually said instead of making up nonsense to make yourselves look cool in front of your buddies?

First of all, I have said repeatedly that Zimmerman should have called the police, like he did. Secondly, I have said repeatedly that he should have OBSERVED Trayvon Martin from a safe distance and reported his location to police. I never said do nothing, as much as you want to believe it. So nice try but no points will be awarded for your blatant untruth.

If Zimmerman stays in his car no fight ensues, Zimmerman doesn't get his ass kicked, and he doesn't have to shoot anyone. Too bad the truth is so hard to swallow.


IMO zimmerman carried a gun for safety an he is lucky he had it or he might be dead . travon a zillion options an he took the wrong one .

And if his dumb ass would have stayed in his car, reported Trayvon's location to police he wouldn't have had to shoot anyone.


yeap he could have been home easy especially since he was running initaly . I reliazed that initaly when iactual looked at the pictures an arials of the sceane last year. he chose to stop chat how tough he was with his GF an then decided to confront Zimmeran. MY gut tells me he had no intention of going home right away.

AGAIN, if Zimmerman stays in his car and reports Trayvon's location to the police there is no opportunity for any confrontation.

he made a big mistake an it cost him his life . Smokin gpot can lead to bad decisions . Had Zimmerman not been packing little travon who is not little would be bragging how he taught the creppy ass cracker a lesson for following his ass down in the hood. IMO not smart attacking people in a conciled carry state they might be able to fight back .

AGAIN, if Zimmerman stays in his car and reports Trayvon's location no confrontation occurs.

the JD is looking onto civil rights charges now an Holder is saying he will push the matter .

I don't care about that. Frankly Holder is just another crooked politician pushing his own political agenda.
Try to argue points instead of using personal attacks.
 
#63 ·
i'm bracing for a "black panther" type to take out some of their own brothers just so they can blame "whitie" some more and get more freebies.

since Obama has had his administration handed over AKs to the drug cartels , then tried to FRAME american citizens for his crimes, and hand over hi tech US weapons to the brotherhood, backing the enemy's of the US with billions of borrowed dollars? i can't say the big "O" track record is helping his credibility here.

i wouldn't doubt for a second that the big "O" and his leftist/socialist goon squads will attempt to take advantage of the crime/race problems by staging another false flag black op to HIS advantage.

and whoever gets killed cause their in the way? that is just "small change"!

the brothers in the hood and the sheeple are being played for a fool by the admin and their media backers.

a black on black mass shooting may be in the works --but whitie gets the blame-- and the finger will also be pointed at guns and ammo and the press will get

tightened up . so much for the first and second amendments --

yep we got to keep an eye out--cause the press sure ain't--
 
#65 ·
WOPPIE WAS GRILLING HTE DEFENSE ATTORNY TODAY ABOUT THE RACE FACTOR SAYING IF SHE WAS PROFILED LIKE THAT WALING DOWN THE STREET SHE WOULD BE PISSED . SHE NEEDS TO GET HER FACTS STRAIGT AN SO DIOES THE MEDIA . tLITTEL TRAYVON THE CANDY KID WAS NOT WALKING IN THE STREET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE ONLY TIME HE EVER WAS SEEN ON A STREET WAS WHEN HE CROSSED IT WALKING TOWARD ZIMMERMAN AN THEN TOOK OFF RUNNING THIS ALL OCCURED DURINGHTE 911 CALL! PRIOR TO THAT THE WAS UNDER THE EVES OF A BUILDING WELL OFF THE STREET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE HAD HIS HEAD COVERED IN A HOODIE AN ZIMERMAN SAID HE WAS NOT SURE OF THE COLOR BUT THIUGHT WAS BLACK WHEN ASKED THAT QUESTION .

WOPPIE OR WHAT EVER YOUR REAL NAME IS IF YOU WERE STANDING UNDER MY NIEGHBORS EVES iD ACLL THE COPS ON YIUR ASS TO . IF THE DESCRIPTION OF PREVIOUS SUSPECTS WHO ROBBED THE AREA ARE AS BEING BLACK SO BE IT. AR EPEOLE SUSPOSED TO IGNORE DESCRIPTONS WHEN LOOKIG FOR CRIMINALS ?

EVEN THROUG MOST OF THE 7-11 VIDEO TRAVON COULD NOT BE IDENTIFED AS BLACK.

TO THE BLACK GUY RIDING IS BIKE TODAY THROUGH TOWN WEARING A HODIE OVER HIS HID DRAWN UP TIGHT YOUR A IDIOT ITS 100 DEGREES OUT SIDE YOU MAKE BLACK PEOPLE LOOK STUPID . I DONT KNOW IF Y0UR PROTESTING OR JUST DUMB OR JUST ROBBED A CRACK HOUSE . ITS TO HOT FOR HODIES
 
#68 ·
Hey, if you're dumb enough to bring Skittles to a gunfight.........
 
#75 ·
FU,
You skated around the question.
If Zimmerman was a woman or 80 year old man would you change your opinion?
Fact .... TM was beating and pounding GZ.

Did you watch TM girlfriend on PM? New spin not brought up at the trial that TM thought that GZ was a gay and TM went to beat crazy ass cracker GZ? If you can believe anything Rachel Jeantel says.
 
#79 ·
Frankly, you scenario is silly. What 80 year old man or woman is a neighborhood watch captain? What 80 year old man or woman would intervene like Zimmerman did?

If Zimmerman stays in his truck he doesn't get into a confrontation and get his ass beat. It is that simple.

The media will spin this forever however they wish to.
 
#78 ·
Zimmerman got out of his truck & walked on a sidewalk talking to police.When the dispatcher told him to he turned around to walk back to his truck.Nothing illegal there.Martin is walking through yards talking trash on a phone.Nothing illegal here-just not too friendly.The only thing Zimmerman did wrong was turning his back on this punk.Martin created the problem when he jumped Z.Z yelled for help long enough for someone to call 911 & who knows how long after the call.You don't wait until you're knocked out or dead before you defend yourself.I'd say he showed great restraint before shooting.If someone actually would have come & helped this would be a non-issue.Hasn't anyone considered that?That's the real problem.Most folks would rather lay blame than simply help.
 
#81 · (Edited)
Several robberies in the complex by young males and you see a young male you don't recognize as being there before.

Looking at the aerial photos of the complex and given that Martin was walking through the complex, first on the road then down between the buildings. Zimmerman as a neighborhood watch would get out of his truck while calling police to keep the person in sight in case the dispatcher asked questions about the individual he had concern about. In this case dispatcher said they didn't need Zimmerman to follow to which he answered okay.

Again, looking at the aerials, Martin was approximately 100 yards from home, Zimmerman approximately the same from his truck. Yet 4 minutes later there is an altercation between them. The fight and shooting took place further away from Martin's house and closer to Zimmerman's truck.

For the sake of argument, no one can declare or prove what happened in those 4 minutes. If they can, they should have come forward in the investigation and trial.

FyredUp, you're right in that if Zimmerman didn't get out of his truck this probably wouldn't have happened. This comes under, "shoulda, coulda, woulda, maybe, if". We ALL can say, "but only if ...". I think they call this, "arm chair quarterbacking". None of us were there, no one to my knowledge knows what happened other than Martin and Zimmerman. For any of us to call this we would be assuming information we don't know.

So while your opinion is Zimmerman was at fault for getting out of his truck, in my opinion (being an active neighborhood watch member with a drug dealer 3 doors down from me the police won't touch) I can understand why he would. That's called agree to disagree.
 
#85 ·
Here is an interesting point...I have been told over and over he was not acting in his position as a neighbrhood watch member that night, just a citizen. So which is it?
 
#82 ·
what were really seeing is some real HATE for the non blacks in the population. and these leftist pretend to not be racist?--

had it been the other way around and travon shot and killed zimmerman would this same bunch be going on about travon being set free? demanding that he be imprisoned?

--somehow i doubt it.

this is a one way street with the administration and various trolls they sent here to pump up their cause.

never mind that to get what they WANT --justice and the constitution has to be thrown out the window and they don't give a damn. .

were black and we got a black KING and that is ALL that matters. they want to exorcise the "being black" card for all they can get out of it.

everybody else owes THEM.

had travon been white, or yellow or hispanic it would have made anything change in the outcome --other than the press would have reportedly it more matter of fact, rather than spin into a political issue with various falsehoods and outright lies.

this entire travon martin deal should have been another crime footnote. how many blacks were murdered in chicago while this travon BS was going on?

70? 80? who is protecting their rights? --but travon is a special case --cause he was not killed by another black. had travon got that 9mm to the heart by another black -- would this have turned into another field day for nutz?

i doubt it.

it is ALL about RACE and not at all about JUSTICE. the court for once found justice --so the injustice dept are going to go after zimmerman? that sounds like a vendetta rather than rule of law to me.
 
#83 ·
It doesn't matter if TM wasn't doing anything illegal. He crossed that line when he attacked GZ. What you are arguing FyredUp is the same thing the prosocution lost the case with. I have every right to ask someone why they are walking through my neighborhood just as much right as they have to be there as long as they aren't braking the law. The law was broken when the assault occured. Who started the assault FU? According to the evidece presented who started it. Sorry but when you are in the mount and punching downward into someone's face you are not defending yourself. Do you disagree? If so there are many law books which you can research to know the difference between assault and defence. If Zimmerman shot again then the case would have been different. Stop with the should of or could have crap. If you were on the jury than your opinion would hold a lot more wieght. From what was stated in the court nothing GZ did provoked a physical response.

Look up the stand your ground statute for the state of Florida. You keep saying he was getting his ass kicked so he pulled his gun... Where I am from that is called self defense and the state of Florida (obviously) agrees.

As I stated before this is a clear-cut case of self defense. TM was irritated that a "Creepy ass cracker" was following him and confronted him. At that point the line was crossed and the law was broken. GZ was attacked and was getting the short end of the stick and responded with the only thing he could to stop the assault which any of us here who carry concealed would do and why we carry in the first place. Spin it however you want but you are debating something that you were not a witness to nor do you know more than the six jurors do.
 
#84 ·
It doesn't matter if TM wasn't doing anything illegal. He crossed that line when he attacked GZ. What you are arguing FyredUp is the same thing the prosocution lost the case with. I have every right to ask someone why they are walking through my neighborhood just as much right as they have to be there as long as they aren't braking the law.

If I am on a public sidewalk, or roadway, you can say anything you want to me and I can simply ignore you and keep on walking, tell you to go fuck yourself, or call the police because you are harrassing me. I have no legal obligation to submit myself to your interrogation, no matter how much you believe you have the right to question me.

The law was broken when the assault occured. Who started the assault FU? According to the evidece presented who started it. Sorry but when you are in the mount and punching downward into someone's face you are not defending yourself. Do you disagree? If so there are many law books which you can research to know the difference between assault and defence. If Zimmerman shot again then the case would have been different. Stop with the should of or could have crap. If you were on the jury than your opinion would hold a lot more wieght. From what was stated in the court nothing GZ did provoked a physical response.

I believe that in the history of the world many fights have been started by someone who then realized, as they were getting their ass kicked, that the idea of starting the fight probably wasn't such a good one. Can I say with 100% certainty who started the actual physical confrontation? Nope, but neither can you. The fact that Trayvon was on top punching down at the moment he was shot does not mean that he started the fight, all it says 100% for sure is that at that moment he was winning.

Look up the stand your ground statute for the state of Florida. You keep saying he was getting his ass kicked so he pulled his gun... Where I am from that is called self defense and the state of Florida (obviously) agrees.

The funny part of this is it is only self defense if in fact he was not the original aggressor. Which no one can say with 100% certainty.

As I stated before this is a clear-cut case of self defense. TM was irritated that a "Creepy ass cracker" was following him and confronted him. At that point the line was crossed and the law was broken. GZ was attacked and was getting the short end of the stick and responded with the only thing he could to stop the assault which any of us here who carry concealed would do and why we carry in the first place. Spin it however you want but you are debating something that you were not a witness to nor do you know more than the six jurors do.

Spin it however you want, and since the trial went the way YOU believe it should you support the verdict, but in your own words "you are debating something that you were not a witness to." Juries make wrong decisions all the time, heck there are many here complain regularly about the OJ trial. Perhaps they should just shut up and accept it...
I am afraid this topic is a stalemate. I know you and your friends here will never change your mind, and I certainly will never stop believing that if Zimmerman stays in his truck no confrontation occurs, no fight breaks out and no shooting occurs.
 
#86 ·
It's sad when death happens, it's even sadder when a death generates this much interest. The photo below sums up my feelings. This is and should have stayed a local Florida news item, not a national debacle.

Oh, if it's hard to read, click on it to enlarge...
 

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#89 ·
I have been followed and questioned while walking down the road in a buddies 'hood where I was a stranger to the residents. I didnt like it, but I understood why they did it. I damn sure didnt start swinging. If I would have and they shot me I figure I would have deserved it.
 
#97 ·
Sorry no. Thankfully, I am not related in any way to anyone on this sight. Further, I have never used another log in name on this sight. So nice try, but once again no points will be awarded.
 
#98 ·
FU,
Your consistent phrase is ”If Zimmerman would have stayed in the car”. Fact is he did nothing wrong and nothing worth getting his live threating beating. Can you read and comprehend a sentence? Without skating, dissecting or double talk answer the question. For the third time the question is....

If Zimmerman was a woman or 80 year old man would you change your opinion?
Fact .... TM was beating and pounding GZ.

keep it simple.... YES or NO
 
#99 ·
No, my opinion would not change. Stay in the car, or truck, stay far enough back that you have safe seperation and then no incident occurs. Further someone 80 years old probably has little interest in playing hero and is more concerned with getting the police there to see what's up.

We are not talking about an innocent, uninvolved citizen getting randomly jumped. We are talking about a guy deciding to get involved in something, it back firing on him, an incident occurring, him getting his ass beat, and then killing the other party. This is not a random event by any stretch of anyone's imagination. Two people made this happen, the fact is, depsite what the jury decided, no one will ever know for sure what happened that night, because we don't have 2 sides of the story.

Again, and still. I believe your scenario is silly and irrelevant to this case.
 
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