Hope your powder's dry people.
We won this one.
Hunter
We won this one.
Hunter
What do facts have to do with FU's thinking ? he thinks zimmerman should have jsut ignored the fact a stranger was standing under one of his neighbors eves in the rain he thinks that the leader of the neighbor hood watch should just ignore what going on when its not his night , he thinks suspiciuos people should not be watched to see were they go . he thinks that that little travonthe candy dandy should have been allowed to wander around unwatched in the dark in the rain away were he was suspesed to be in peoples yards unchecked . he thinks that no one should bother him or report him . he thinks trayvon had the right to attack some one who was looking to see were he went becusae as a balck under age suspoended drug user his rights out weight every one who lives there . he thinks Zinmeran should have just taken a beating an maybe been killed .Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
All well and good. It wasn't Zimmerman's property that Trayvon was on. Zimmerman disobeyed the dispatcher and approached Trayvon. Got his ass beat for his meddling and then when he was losing the fight shot and killed Trayvon. How to avoid the situation? Follow law enforcement's advice and don't get physically involved.
Ok, now there you go saying something again that is factually incorrect....... I have seen you repeat this line several times and nobody has said anything so I have actually read the transcript and it does not match what you say happened!!!
Once the 911 operator said that they did not need him(zimmerman) to follow the suspect he said 'ok' and stopped trying to follow martin, at no point did the 911 operator tell him stay in your car!!! after he complied with the recommendations of the 911 operator he was heading back to his car and ran into martin.
yeap he could have been home easy especially since he was running initaly . I reliazed that initaly when iactual looked at the pictures an arials of the sceane last year. he chose to stop chat how tough he was with his GF an then decided to confront Zimmeran. MY gut tells me he had no intention of going home right away .The most stunning thing I learned was that there was a 4 minute gap in the timeline, which was constructed by the 911 calls, in which Trayvon was out of Zimmerman's sight. Trayvon's family friend's home was approximately 100 yards from the scene of the event...so Trayvon had 4 full minutes to run, walk, or even crawl to the safety of that home. If he did not wish to confront Zimmerman, he had 4 minutes to get away....go figure...
Try to argue points instead of using personal attacks.What do facts have to do with FU's thinking ? he thinks zimmerman should have jsut ignored the fact a stranger was standing under one of his neighbors eves in the rain he thinks that the leader of the neighbor hood watch should just ignore what going on when its not his night , he thinks suspiciuos people should not be watched to see were they go . he thinks that that little travonthe candy dandy should have been allowed to wander around unwatched in the dark in the rain away were he was suspesed to be in peoples yards unchecked . he thinks that no one should bother him or report him . he thinks trayvon had the right to attack some one who was looking to see were he went becusae as a balck under age suspoended drug user his rights out weight every one who lives there . he thinks Zinmeran should have just taken a beating an maybe been killed .
Can any of you guys read? Can a single one of you debate something without personally attacking someone with another point of view? Can any of you actually argue against something I actually said instead of making up nonsense to make yourselves look cool in front of your buddies?
First of all, I have said repeatedly that Zimmerman should have called the police, like he did. Secondly, I have said repeatedly that he should have OBSERVED Trayvon Martin from a safe distance and reported his location to police. I never said do nothing, as much as you want to believe it. So nice try but no points will be awarded for your blatant untruth.
If Zimmerman stays in his car no fight ensues, Zimmerman doesn't get his ass kicked, and he doesn't have to shoot anyone. Too bad the truth is so hard to swallow.
IMO zimmerman carried a gun for safety an he is lucky he had it or he might be dead . travon a zillion options an he took the wrong one .
And if his dumb ass would have stayed in his car, reported Trayvon's location to police he wouldn't have had to shoot anyone.
yeap he could have been home easy especially since he was running initaly . I reliazed that initaly when iactual looked at the pictures an arials of the sceane last year. he chose to stop chat how tough he was with his GF an then decided to confront Zimmeran. MY gut tells me he had no intention of going home right away.
AGAIN, if Zimmerman stays in his car and reports Trayvon's location to the police there is no opportunity for any confrontation.
he made a big mistake an it cost him his life . Smokin gpot can lead to bad decisions . Had Zimmerman not been packing little travon who is not little would be bragging how he taught the creppy ass cracker a lesson for following his ass down in the hood. IMO not smart attacking people in a conciled carry state they might be able to fight back .
AGAIN, if Zimmerman stays in his car and reports Trayvon's location no confrontation occurs.
the JD is looking onto civil rights charges now an Holder is saying he will push the matter .
I don't care about that. Frankly Holder is just another crooked politician pushing his own political agenda.
I am afraid this topic is a stalemate. I know you and your friends here will never change your mind, and I certainly will never stop believing that if Zimmerman stays in his truck no confrontation occurs, no fight breaks out and no shooting occurs.It doesn't matter if TM wasn't doing anything illegal. He crossed that line when he attacked GZ. What you are arguing FyredUp is the same thing the prosocution lost the case with. I have every right to ask someone why they are walking through my neighborhood just as much right as they have to be there as long as they aren't braking the law.
If I am on a public sidewalk, or roadway, you can say anything you want to me and I can simply ignore you and keep on walking, tell you to go fuck yourself, or call the police because you are harrassing me. I have no legal obligation to submit myself to your interrogation, no matter how much you believe you have the right to question me.
The law was broken when the assault occured. Who started the assault FU? According to the evidece presented who started it. Sorry but when you are in the mount and punching downward into someone's face you are not defending yourself. Do you disagree? If so there are many law books which you can research to know the difference between assault and defence. If Zimmerman shot again then the case would have been different. Stop with the should of or could have crap. If you were on the jury than your opinion would hold a lot more wieght. From what was stated in the court nothing GZ did provoked a physical response.
I believe that in the history of the world many fights have been started by someone who then realized, as they were getting their ass kicked, that the idea of starting the fight probably wasn't such a good one. Can I say with 100% certainty who started the actual physical confrontation? Nope, but neither can you. The fact that Trayvon was on top punching down at the moment he was shot does not mean that he started the fight, all it says 100% for sure is that at that moment he was winning.
Look up the stand your ground statute for the state of Florida. You keep saying he was getting his ass kicked so he pulled his gun... Where I am from that is called self defense and the state of Florida (obviously) agrees.
The funny part of this is it is only self defense if in fact he was not the original aggressor. Which no one can say with 100% certainty.
As I stated before this is a clear-cut case of self defense. TM was irritated that a "Creepy ass cracker" was following him and confronted him. At that point the line was crossed and the law was broken. GZ was attacked and was getting the short end of the stick and responded with the only thing he could to stop the assault which any of us here who carry concealed would do and why we carry in the first place. Spin it however you want but you are debating something that you were not a witness to nor do you know more than the six jurors do.
Spin it however you want, and since the trial went the way YOU believe it should you support the verdict, but in your own words "you are debating something that you were not a witness to." Juries make wrong decisions all the time, heck there are many here complain regularly about the OJ trial. Perhaps they should just shut up and accept it...