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    6 Killed While Looking For “POW” Deserter Forgotten

    Over the weekend, five high-level terrorists were released from Guantanamo Bay in order to trade for an American POW named Bowe Bergdahl. As talks of desertion circle above, or the fact that he may have “switched sides,” are constantly coming up, it seems that those who went looking for Mr. Bergdahl and were unfortunate enough to lose their lives have been forgotten in the times.

    Bergdahl was “captured” back in 2009 when – according to the current administration – he “wandered” off and was captured. A serious manhunt went underway in effort to re-obtain the lost soldier, during which time, 6 soldiers had lost their lives as they scoured the land for our man.



    These honorable men were:

    Staff Sergeant Clayton Bowen, 29

    Private First Class Morris Walker, 23

    Staff Sergeant Kurt Curtiss, 27

    Second Lieutenant Darryn Andrews, 34

    Private First Class Matthew Michael Martinek, 20

    Staff Sergeant Michael Murphrey, 25

    According to Sergeant Matt Vierkant, “Bowe Bergdahl deserted during a time of war and his fellow Americans lost their lives searching for him.” He went on to add, “I was pissed off then and I am even more so now with everything going on.”

    So what do you guys think – is Bergdahl a deserter? If this is, in fact, the case, what does that say about the current administration when it comes to the release of the five terrorists from Gitmo? Let us know in the comments below.

    Bergdahl's comrades: He's a deserter | TheHill


    Bergdahl's comrades: He's a deserter

    Soldiers who served with Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in Afghanistan are claiming he is a deserter who walked off his base in June, 2009, but the Pentagon says it still doesn’t know exactly what happened.

    “We still don’t have a complete picture of what caused him to leave his base that night,” Pentagon spokesman Rear Adm. John Kirby said on CNN’s “New Day” Monday.

    A number of Bergdahl’s fellow soldiers are speaking out after his rescue by U.S. Special Operations forces on Saturday night, after being held for five years by the Taliban.

    Nathan Bradley Bethea wrote in The Daily Beast Monday that they both served in the same battalion.

    The night before he disappeared on June 30, Bethea said Bergdahl was on guard duty at a small outpost. The next morning, he failed to show up for morning roll call. Soldiers discovered his body armor, rifle, helmet and web gear in a neat stack, with his compass left behind, Bethea wrote.

    “The truth is: Bergdahl was a deserter, and soldiers from his own unit died trying to track him down,” he said.

    Soldiers were then forced to remain silent about Bergdahl’s disappearance and the search for him, Bethea added, which led to some soldiers losing their lives.

    "I was pissed off then and I am even more so now with everything going on," Former Sgt. Matt Vierkant, a member of Bergdahl's platoon, told CNN. “"Bowe Bergdahl deserted during a time of war and his fellow Americans lost their lives searching for him."

    His former squad leader, Greg Leatherman, told CNN “I believe that an investigation should take place as soon as healthcare professionals deem him fit to endure one."

    At least six U.S. soldiers died hunting for Bergdahl, CNN reports.

    Many of his fellow troops also told CNN that they had to sign nondisclosure agreements to never share information about his disappearance and the hunt for him.

    On Sunday, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel deflected questions about the nature of his 2009 disappearance and said his health is the top priority.

    The late Rolling Stone reporter Michael Hastings had obtained emails in 2012 that indicated Bergdahl told fellow soldiers before he was gone that he no longer supported the U.S. effort in Afghanistan.

    Meanwhile, Pentagon spokesman Kirby said Monday that whether he deserted or not, being held by the Taliban for five years is a “pretty high price to pay after walking off a base.”

    OUTRAGE: 6 Killed While Looking For ?POW? Deserter Forgotten // Mr. Conservative
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    "The United States does NOT negotiate with terrorists!" Remember when we used to say that? Man o' man those were the days. Well at least terrorists know that one American is at least worth 5 of them when it's time to come to the table.
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    Bergdahl's Release Upsets Soldiers Who Saw Him as a Deserter

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    Now, many American soldiers are coming out against the decision for another reason. They say Bergdahl put their lives at risk when he abandoned his duties, and don't think he receives a hero's welcome home.

    Bergdahl was reportedly seized by the Taliban in 2009, after he left the camp where he was stationed, without authorization. Bergdahl had reportedly become disillusioned with the war effort and wanted out. He was almost immediately captured and held in Pakistan, which According to the Washington Post prompted a dangerous and deadly search:

    At the time, an entire U.S. military division and thousands of Afghan soldiers and police officers devoted weeks to searching for him, and some soldiers resented risking their lives for someone they considered a deserter... One Afghan special operations commander in eastern Afghanistan remembers being dispatched. “Along with the American Special Forces, we set up checkpoints everywhere. For 14 days we were outside of our base trying to find him."
    Former combat medic Javier Ortiz told the Post that he had also felt disillusioned with the war but would not have abandoned his fellow soldiers. “I had a responsibility while I was there to the guys I was with, and that’s why this hits the hardest," adding "regardless of what you learned while being there, we still have a responsibility to the men to our left and right. It’s terrible, what he did.” Some soldiers said they think Bergdahl should be tried for desertion or going absent without leave (AWOL), both serious military crimes. The U.S. government, however, doesn't intend on pursuing charges. One senior defense official told the Post, “Five years is enough."

    Bergdahl's Release Upsets Soldiers Who Saw Him as a Deserter


    Black Blade: At the very least hopefully the families of the dead who paid for the search with their lives will file lawsuits against the scumbag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprat View Post
    we traded 5 terriost for this guy and they were badasses so we traded a afghan/taliban sympathiser deserter for 5 terrorist without congresssional approval WTF
    Back in the Cold War days, the Department of State handled that sort of thing.


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    Former Officer: Soldiers Were 'Threatened' if They Questioned Bergdahl Story

    A former U.S. officer who served in Afghanistan with Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl claims that soldiers were threatened by U.S. authorities if they questioned his story.

    After he was captured, Bergdahl said on a video from his captors that he lagged behind on patrol, although other sources in the military suggested anonymously that he walked away from his post.

    “Not only has this nebulous non-story been put out for years but you know these soldiers of 4th Brigade 25th Infantry Division were threatened with legal repercussions if they spoke about Bergdahl. Everybody officially mandated silencing of what we saw has been so frustrating,” Bethea explained on BBC World Service Radio today.

    Bethea served in Sgt. Bergdahl's unit, and was an infantry officer in the U.S. Army from 2007 to 2014

    CNN’s Jake Tapper also reported that many of Bergdahl's fellow troops signed nondisclosure agreements agreeing to never share any information about Bergdahl's disappearance and the efforts to recapture him.

    Bethea explained that now he was safe, more soldiers would be trying to tell the truth of his disappearance.

    BBC interviewed Bethea after he wrote an article for the Daily Beast, asserting that Bergdahl was a deserter.

    “He is safe, and now it is time to speak the truth,” he wrote. “And that the truth is: Bergdahl was a deserter, and soldiers from his own unit died trying to track him down.”

    Bethea admitted that it would probably be unlikely that Bergdahl would face a court martial, because it would cast doubt on the deal the United States made with the Taliban to secure his release.

    “I would at least like to see an official statement on what happened,” he said, referring to the Department of Defense.

    Bergdahl is currently at an American military hospital in Germany, where he is being evaluated.

    Bethea said that he would reserve judgement whether or not Bergdahl betrayed his country.

    “I’m not going to call the guy a traitor just because it sounds like a stronger or harsher word than deserter,” Bethea said, admitting that he didn’t know what happened to him after he was captured.
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    GOP Rep. on Bergdahl Release: Why Were The Other 3 Americans in Militant Custody Not Included?

    by Caroline May 2 Jun 2014, 9:54 AM PDT

    WASHINGTON — California Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter expressed concern Monday at the level of urgency surrounding the decision to swap five Taliban militants for Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl and questioned why other Americans in militant custody were not included in the deal.

    “Knowing that various lines of effort were presented and still under consideration, none of which involved a disproportionate prisoner exchange, I am concerned by the sudden urgency behind the prisoner swap given other lines of effort offered the same opportunity for success,” Hunter wrote Monday in a letter to President Obama obtained by Breitbart News.

    “These efforts should have been fully exhausted before any commitment to exchange prisoners was made,” he continued. “Now a situation has been created whereby prisoner exchanges specifically disproportionate exchanges — are viewed by the Taliban and other aligned forces as achievable.”

    Hunter, a member of the House Armed Services Committee and veteran of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, further questioned why other Americans believed to be in militant custody were not included in the Bergdahl swap.

    “My understanding is that three other Americans remain in the custody of militants aligned with the Taliban. Should this still be the case, I would like to know why these individuals were not included in the negotiations that resulted in the release of five detainees from Guantanamo Bay,” he wrote going on to urge the administration “expedite” efforts, that do no include more detainee releases, to bring them home as well.

    A Hunter spokesman told Breitbart News that the three additional Americans in militant custody, to whom Hunter was referring include 72-year-old contractor Warren Weinstein, Caitlin Coleman and the child she was pregnant with when she and her Canadian husband disappeared in Afghanistan.

    Hunter, in his letter, said that Bergdahl’s release was “welcome news” but stressed there will be concerns about the manner the government secured his release.

    The California lawmaker added that while concerns for Bergdahl’s health was the reason the deal was expedited, he has been told there was no way to verify such health concerns.

    “[S]everal sources with knowledge of the situation have informed me that any specifics about this health were nearly impossible to assess, unless otherwise stated by the Taliban in the days before a deal was reached — a deal that certainly favored the Taliban,” Hunter wrote.

    He concluded by calling on the administration, in the future, to exhaust all other options “before entering into negotiations with such an untrustworthy partner.”

    Monday morning House Armed Services Committee Buck McKeon announced that his committee would be holding hearings on the matter.
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    Sorry for the long copy & paste, but I think it's a very good read.


    Family of Soldier Slain in Bowe Bergdahl Search Blasts Prisoner Swap
    First published June 2nd 2014, 3:47 pm


    The deal that got Bowe Bergdahl released in exchange for five high-ranking Taliban detainees doesn't sit right with the family of an Army lieutenant killed in an ambush while searching for the missing sergeant.

    "He was killed while looking for this deserter," said Andy Andrews, father of 2nd Lt. Darryn Andrews, who died in eastern Afghanistan in September 2009.

    "If this guy [Bergdahl] had not gone off post, our son would not have been killed."

    The Defense Department has never said Bergdahl was away without leave and has pointedly described him as a "prisoner of war."

    The Andrews family did not know there might be a connection between the lieutenant's death and Bergdahl until this weekend when the White House announced the prisoner swap — which has drawn sharp criticism from some lawmakers and service members.

    They said they learned of the reported link from other members of Andrews' platoon, who went public because they were disgusted that Bergdahl, who vanished and was captured under murky circumstances, was being portrayed as a hero.

    A medic who was in Bergdahl's platoon told NBC News that he firmly believes the quiet, bookish sergeant willfully sneaked away, putting himself in harm's way and endangering the lives of fellow soldiers.

    "He's not a hero," Josh Cornelison said of Bergdahl, who has been promoted twice in captivity.

    "He left the Army. He walked away from his post on his own two feet with his own sound mind. He left by himself to do what he wanted to do. He is not a hero. Heroes are the people who sacrificed their lives for your freedom, for my freedom, for everybody's freedom."

    Cornelison said that after Bergdahl disappeared, the Army flooded the area with troops to find him. For 90 days, it was their top priority, even as the Taliban stepped up their attacks.

    "Every single mission we did was pointed toward finding Berghdahl," Cornelison said. "Every single person that died was doing something to find Bowe Berghdahl."

    He maintains that's what 3rd platoon was doing when a roadside bomb blew up on them, the precursor to an ambush in which Andrews, 34, and Pfc. Matthew Martinek, 20, were killed.

    The Defense Department did not comment on the medic's account, but Andrews' mother, Sondra, said her son told her at one point that his duties included looking for Bergdahl.

    “He had been out on a 24-hour mission, and he said we had this soldier that just disappeared. He left his post and we’re all having to look for him and put ourselves in danger. He was resentful," she said.

    But there was not suggestion back then that he was searching for Bergdahl when he died, and those reports came as a shock.

    “We would have already had all this processed. You create this one scenario about how your child was killed, you justify how that happened and then you’re told he died looking for a traitor, a deserter. My son’s life was traded for that? It hurts.”

    The fact that Bergdahl's freedom was brought about with the release of five Taliban deepened the pain, as did the joyful statements that Bergdahl's parents made.

    “They show his parents, and his father is evidently speaking a native language...and seems to be a sympathizer and they're talking about how he gets to come home to his parents," the mother said.

    "We got a box and our son was a hero.”

    Andrews' twin brother, Jarrett, a lawyer, said the news felt "like a bit of a betrayal."

    "It's more saddening than anything," he said. "There's some outrage, but it's mostly sad," he said, his voice choked with sobs.

    "I don't think Darryn would have any regrets about laying down his life, but ultimately he did do that and terrorists were still released," the brother said.

    For Andrews' widow, Julie, who was pregnant with her second child when her husband was killed, the news of the prisoner exchange left her feeling physically ill.

    "It's a slap in the face to people who served and risked their lives," she said.

    "They put their lives on the line to put these men in jail and now there's this man [Bergdahl] with questionable character and devotion to the military who has been traded for these criminals."

    Cornelison, who left the Army in 2011, said Andrews and Martinek are constantly on his mind.

    "There is very rarely a day that goes by that I don't think about Lt. Darryn Andrews and Pfc. Matthew Martinek — and Bergdahl purposely leaving his post to do what he wanted to do."

    "I really do hope that Bowe Bergdahl is held accountable for everything that he did. He has been held in captivity for five years, but that is nowhere near enough," Cornelison said.
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    He's a POS, obama was only giving family members free trips from one place to another.
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    Megan Kelly on FOX really tore into this last night. She had guys you served with Bergdahl and they said that they were required to sign off on agreements not to talk about the Bergdahl desertion. Now they can since he's been returned and they claim he is a deserter and "killed" those who were searching for him just as if he pulled the trigger. Seems he has no friends at all among those serving and who served. Pretty damning interviews and I don't see how Bergdahl can possibly get away without facing court martial on desertion charges unless given a pass on orders from Barack.
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    yea the services are really dysfunctional since the big "O" and his PC communists took over.

    when you have a soldier who deserted and joined the enemy and they can't /won't bring charges because that enemy is tango? WTF is wrong with this picture?

    i suppose we now know whos side the administration is on. and it ain't the citizens of the US-- it is the taliban!--

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