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    Making up facts about guns

    By Dr. John R. Lott Jr.
    Published June 16, 2014FoxNews.com



    President Obama just can't seem to help himself. Over and over again, he makes exaggerated or false claims about guns and crime.

    Last year Obama kept asserting the bogus numbers such as “40 percent of all gun purchases take place without a background check.” Besides the study being based on a tiny survey it was started before the Federal background check law went into effect. Moreover, the 40 percent figure referred to all transfers, not just sales, and the vast majority of transfers took place within families through gifts and inheritances. Then, for good measure, Obama added an extra 4 percentage points to increase the number from 36 to 40 percent.

    If Obama had a stronger case for gun control, he wouldn't have to make up so many facts and distort others.

    Unfortunately, this past Tuesday Obama was at it again [IMG]chrome://savefrom/content/button.gif[/IMG] . He lamented:

    "My biggest frustration has been that this society has not been willing to take some basic steps to keep guns out of the hands of people who can do just unbelievable damage. We are the only developed country on earth where this happens."
    Does Obama not consider Norway a developed country? After all, Anders Breivik shot 69 people to death and wounded 110 others. That attack holds the record for a single-person shooting spree.

    Is Germany a developed country? While the president focused on school shootings, he never acknowledged that two of the three worst K-12 school shootings have occurred in Germany since 2000, not in the United States. These were:

    -- Erfurt, Germany on April 26, 2002: a former student killed 18 at a secondary school.
    -- Winnenden, Germany, March 11, 2009: a 17-year-old former student killed 15 people, including nine students and three teachers.

    A partial list of mass shootings in Europe from 2000 to early 2010 is available here.

    Obama also claimed: "The idea, for example, that we couldn't even get a background check bill in to make sure that if you are going to buy a weapon you have to go through a fairly rigorous process so that we know who you are so that you can't just walk up to a store and buy a semi-automatic weapon makes no sense."
    Obama ought to try purchasing a gun himself. He will realize it is not as easy as he thinks to buy a gun. No store in the entire United States can legally sell a semi-automatic gun without conducting a background check. Indeed, That has been the federal law for two decades now, since 1994.

    "The combination of the NRA and gun manufactures are very well financed and have the capacity to move votes in local elections and congressional elections and so if you are running for election right now that's where you feel the heat."
    Gun control advocates have plenty of money to get their message across. Thus last year, gun control advocates outspent their opponents by a ratio of 7.4 to 1 on television advertisements.

    This year is shaping up to be just as lopsided. While the NRA spends about $20 million annually on political activities, former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is spending about $50 million per year. And Gabreille Gifford's anti-gun organization is putting up another $20 million. Still others are putting in tens of millions more dollars. On top of that gun control advocates have a very sympathetic media that gets their points across.

    “Our levels of gun violence are off the charts. There’s no advanced, developed country on earth that would put up with this.”
    The U.S. doesn't have the most gun murders among developed countries.

    In any case, the total number of murders is the more important comparison and the U.S. murder rate is less than the average murder rate for the world. Nor is it close to having the highest murder rate among developed countries.

    "...but that we are going to put some commonsense rules in place that make a dent, at least, in what’s happening -- until that is not just the majority of you -- because that’s already the majority of you, even the majority of gun owners believe that."
    The surveys that Obama references by Michael Bloomberg are misleading. Asking if people support background checks on the "sale" of guns is not the same as asking them if they support background checks on transferring guns within families or the actual bills being put before congress. Clear majorities of Americans were actually happy that the gun control bill that Obama backed last year was defeated.

    "Australia just said, well that is it, we aren't seeing that again and basically imposed very strict, tough gun laws and they haven't had a mass shooting since."
    Pointing to one single country doesn't prove very much. For example, I could point to neighboring New Zealand, another isolated island nation that is demographically and economically similar, that appears to prove the exact opposite. From 1980 to 1996, New Zealand actually had a slightly higher mass murder rate (0.0050 incidents per 100,000 people versus Australia’s 0.0042).

    But while Obama points to Australia not have mass shootings since its gun regulations in 1997, New Zealand, which has remained a heavily armed country, has also not had any more mass shootings.

    What needs to be done is a systematic study of many different areas to see whether changes in gun laws cause statistically significant differences in mass shootings. And that type of study is exactly what Bill Landes and I did for all the mass shootings in the US from 1977 to 1999, and we found clear evidence that the only type of gun law that made people safer was one that increased gun ownership.

    If Obama had a stronger case for gun control, he wouldn't have to make up so many facts and distort others. But with policies such as background checks, which would have done nothing to stop any of the attacks, Obama has little choice but to make things up. However, getting policies right requires accurate facts.

    John R. Lott, Jr. is a columnist for FoxNews.com. He is an economist and was formerly chief economist at the United States Sentencing Commission. Lott is also a leading expert on guns and op-eds on that issue are done in conjunction with the Crime Prevention Research Center. He is the author of eight books including "More Guns, Less Crime." His latest book is "Dumbing Down the Courts: How Politics Keeps the Smartest Judges Off the Bench" Bascom Hill Publishing Group (September 17, 2013). Follow him on Twitter@johnrlottjr.

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    Black Blade: Pretty much bang on (sorry about that). These facts are important to get across although the MSM will simply continue to ignore them and make up their own "facts" or those manufactured by the Bloombergers and Brady Bunch. As for President barack Obama .... well he's a moron but we already knew that.
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    And this from Obama who claims...'I go shooting all the time!"

    Remember that? When he said that lying shit and posted some photo shopped pix of him shooting a shotgun it started an internet photoshop a thon. It was freaking hilarious. We showed no mercy whatsoever.

    Here are some of my favorites..

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    I have more and some of them are hilarious. Please advise if you would like to see more.

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    gun control would be a joke if the morons wern't trying to shove this illegal and unconstitutional laws down every ones throats.

    the truth is it is the MEDICAL INDUSTRY and the MENTAL HEALTH industry and its practices causing the majority of the mass killings.

    it don't matter what kind of weapon is used. we have a society and a medical system cranking out people hell bent on mass-murder/suicide like a china factory turning out cheap toasters!

    strangely when there is some kind of mass homicide the focus is on they weapon used rather than the medications being taken and their well known side-effects.

    it looks like the government is busting its @ss to cover for the medical profession and pass the buck on to firearms.

    IF there were no firearms at all there would still be attempts at mass murder by these raving launitics as long as these anti-depressent meds are being handed out like M&M candy.

    the press is so "in the pocket" of the medical industry they won't even bring up the possibility that medications are the cause--

    sounds more like the USSR than the USA don't it?

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    SGT that's some funny stuff! Please throw some more out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalker1 View Post
    SGT that's some funny stuff! Please throw some more out there.
    You know I should be in bed now , its after 1 AM in China now. But I have to post some pix for Stalker and the crew.

    This shit is Hilarious.

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    Yep, He's a good ole boy just like me!

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    Yep Hanging with the Homies! He gots his Gatt!]

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    I'm in China now and they say they own his Ass!

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    I think this says it all.

    Would you like some more?

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    Hell yeah STG! LOL But get some sleep friend.

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    Crap I posted 5 photos. Only the last one came though. I don't know what is wrong. Maybe it's me,,Maybe the NSA be blocking this shit, or maybe it's this fucked up cheapass site under new management?

    Who the fuck Knows.

    OK I will post 1 pic at a time.

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    Last edited by SouthTexasGuy; 06-19-2014 at 03:10 PM. Reason: no pix posting on this lame ass site

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    The one of the tricycle will stay with me for a long time !ROFLMAO!

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    Thanks Stalker, Something is fucked up here. I can't attach files to this site.

    Will try 2morrow from another computer. It's some funny shit.
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    That article is no surprise, the government & media will always lie to get what they want.
    A good example is alcohol, I haven't looked at the stats lately but deaths by DUI drivers has always been at least double that of firearm deaths, and you don't see anyone out there crying for a ban on booze.
    And banning guns and going to stop the crazies, just a year or two ago there were mass stabbings in SE Asia (China mainly I think), so it doesn't matter.


    STG yeah those are great, never seen the tricycle one before




    And this from Obama who claims...'I go shooting all the time!"
    Remember that? When he said that lying shit and posted some photo shopped pix of him shooting a shotgun
    Yeah I remember that and I don't think it was photo shopped but it was a lie, the news article on that one was about "him shooting trap or skeet" and anyone that has done it knows you angle the gun up even if it's slightly when doing that, not level like the pic showed.
    "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem" Ronald Reagan

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