Well, I do not see any deactivate or Delete button for my account so I guess it will just go dormant. I will be focusing my builds at other sites that actually build and talk about guns. Yes, asshole cops need to be locked up, but most of the time the child molester has neighbors like a few here that say "The cops are assholes my neighbor is a great guy let him go" is too much.
If the site ever gets back to guns and building shoot me and email.
Well I hate to see ya go pyrotex.I always looked to your input and knowledge of building.
It's quite sad when most the boards are all full of political rants and garbage they forget the true meaning of the hobby.
If I really want to hear all the latest political crap I'll hang out in some hoidy toidy latte shop,or sing kumbaya on some corporate lawn....
That's not for me.
When time allows and funds I still enjoy building(even if it don't come out so good :bangin
I wish you well my friend and hope to see you on some of the other boards:cheers:
Pryotex I hope you don't go, but I understand what you're saying, just look at the threads in this section over the past few years. Most turn into bitch-fests about that subject instead of a conversation.
And yes I wish more people would show anything they build, I'm guilty of not doing that too but I've been busy with other things and hoping to get back to some builds I want to do, all I've done lately was put together a couple ARs since certain people kept posting those super sales Everyone know what an AR is and your not building it, your just putting parts together with no real skill needed. But since it came up I'll post a pic or two of what I've done even though it's nothing special.
Actually I'm getting ready to continue / get back to another project I started but didn't really finish, I'll be posting on this one soon and really hope it works out. Actually I might start posting on this next week because I'll need advice to help me along.
Pyrotex ( Tony) I have out of town for a few days I had to go up north for business so I missed your post and the thread that caused this turn of events. You and sean know me by reputation as aold time builder on multiple sites, I really hope you would reconsider. we have had our differences but we have always respected each other at least thats how I saw it, also sometimes I do not write on the computer what is really in my heart
On one of my concealed carry sites we had a few active LEO's leave in the same matter and for the same exact reason. its a shame LEO's usually stand there ground and there input is needed to balance out the discussion
biggun
has been bitcing about the lack of building for a few years, and that could be aimed at me, my building has been in the closet ( quiet) especially the AR's you all don't need to see the ar's do you!
biggun
everytime you talk about this lack of building you mention PM's from other individuals I would love to know who is PMing you ,don't they have the balls to post to everyone if not ,there opinion means little to me
Hay big gun the Wieger is getting assembled over the next month. I moved so I need to get the rivet tools and build tools from storage
I will be posting the build as I go
I stand with Dutigaf, 555th, Im not going anywhere heck there are a lot of people here I wish would go away Pyrotex is just not one of them
I find ethnic jokes revolting regardless what ethnic group and they have no place on a site like this, what i find more revolting are those who reply trying to defend it they should take this crap back to ak forum or akfiles where thy come from. I will stay to stop this crap
I'm at the hospital for most of a week with one of my children and get home to see this? Dang I hate to see you go Pyrotex.
As for Mick - keep posting the bullshit, and see where it leads. No need to shit in someone else's thread. This isn't assweb or some of the other sites out there. I understand there are good cops and bad cops - unfortunately it seems that you put all cops into the same group.
Sprat - I agree with what you are saying. If people are PMing 1biggun about the direction of the site - then I wish they would PM me or one of the other admins. Otherwise it is just hearsay. Would I like the site to be into building like back in 04-05? Yes, but then it seemed that was a great time for cheap kits among other things. Also people need to realize there was a lot of "General Discussion" at that time as well (remember a lot of custer's posts?). So if anyone has something firearms related (whether building, reloading, tactics, etc) post away - it would be nice to see.
I'm at the hospital for most of a week with one of my children and get home to see this? Dang I hate to see you go Pyrotex.
As for Mick - keep posting the bullshit, and see where it leads. No need to shit in someone else's thread. This isn't assweb or some of the other sites out there. I understand there are good cops and bad cops - unfortunately it seems that you put all cops into the same group.
Sprat - I agree with what you are saying. If people are PMing 1biggun about the direction of the site - then I wish they would PM me or one of the other admins. Otherwise it is just hearsay.
sorry to hear you got kids in the Hosp... fill me in (pm)?
this thread? yeah its over 6 pages of off topic crap for a guy saying he was leaving for this exact type of thing being done to what few relevant threads get posted. (like this one)
as to the Admins getting Pm'd over the direction of the site? you havent been getting the PM's that are copied to most of the staff that have been sent by several of the members that 1biggun is talking about? wonder why not? cause ive seen/read reply's from other staff members here to a couple of them.
& we all know: im not bashful about saying that ive sent PM's to several people over where "our GUNCO" has gone & who's hiding it.
but this thread is about one of my best friends leaving a site "i" brought him to....(for the great members ive hung with for years) because he's a former LEO & is tired of being/feeling bashed upon at every time he opens the site & its 80%+ of the threads that have activity in recent posts/todays posts buttons.
so just not venturing into General Discussion doesnt exactly cut it. what if someone wants to have a GD thats not anti something?
THIS is the easiest solution to all of this stuff & its something we did at WG about 3 years ago: its called the ignore function. solves all the problems at one time & if you made it an announcement that you had this function, actually enforce its use... there would be no more complaints from anyone in either direction.
you guys could create a "anti-area" for all things anti... enable the ignore button function for members so that ones who dont want to see it wont even know its not there & the anti crowd can row on till they wear out their keyboards.
and likewise, for people who dont actually build on this site? they can ignore the build area's & only see what interests them.
pretty simple solution & YES i have PM'd this to staff members previously here at GUNCO.
Sorry to see you go Tony. This is certainly not the site I joined many years ago and because of the same reasons you listed I find myself coming here less and less and reluctant to post most builds, and none in any great detail as I have done in the past. I have sent PM's to Gunco (unanswered) and also discussed it with DUTIGAF, 1Biggun and others. If anything the site has been spiraling downwards faster the last year. I had hoped that the new owners would help bring the site back around, but that does not seem to be something they are wanting to do. I'm not ready to pull the plug on the site just yet, but I have removed it from my favorites list.
There are good cops and bad cops. The good cops get little media exposure which is sad. The bad cops give all cops a bad rap. The good cops that cover up for bad cops - are they really "good" cops? The only way to stop abuses under the new Militarization of the police (or maybe better renamed "Paramilitaries"?) is to expose them so that the public will be aware of how there tax dollars are being spent. Secret Societies have their "Secret Police" and domestic spying networks. I have lived abroad in Totalitarian Societies such as Myanmar and I see the trend of totalitarianism building up steam here as well. It never happens overnight but is a slow process and the people don't realize what has happened to them until it's too late. I am amazed that most people seem to think nothing wrong with state-sanctioned home invasions where many times families are terrorized, family members beaten, murdered, pets killed in front of children for no reason, homes virtually destroyed, etc. and many times for some insignificant plant material, unpaid fines or even as stupid as unreturned library books or even worse doing home invasions on the wrong address and sometimes showing on private property without cause or warrants and causing mayhem.
I have no problem exposing evil and corruption even if it is law enforcement (no longer called "peace officers") that also includes corrupt judges and prosecutors who have no regard for the US Constitution. I am however, saddened that "good" cops get little recognition and that they are often targeted for retaliation by their fellow officers when they do come forward and speak up. If people are quiet and bury their heads in the sand then this is taken as approval by the people for abuses to continue and even increase. Fewer "good" cops will come forward as they see others punished for doing the right thing. I have discussed this a few times with my drinking buddies (our County Sheriff and Deputy neighbor). They tend to agree but it is difficult to ignore the buckets of cash and "free stuff" if they play along. We are not a large urban community so the pressure to "play along" isn't as great. "Cops" here tend to be more community-based and friendly with their neighbors because in our small community they must to part of the community unlike most places in the US. Cops can be their own worst enemies if they violate their Constitutional oaths or are too lazy to take time to be sure they have done everything by the book and everything is in order. It also doesn't help when corrupt DAs and judges just sign off willy nilly on warrants. What all cops should want is to be respected for the good they do rather than feared because of the trend toward heavy-handed assaults upon fellow citizens.
If some here feel that living in a secret totalitarian society is great then good for them (I guess). Maybe they are very happy with the trend of the US moving toward becoming a closed authoritarian-totalitarian state. I am sorry but I just don't get it.
biggun
has been bitching about the lack of building for a few years, and that could be aimed at me, my building has been in the closet ( quiet) especially the AR's you all don't need to see the ar's do you!
biggun
everytime you talk about this lack of building you mention PM's from other individuals I would love to know who is PMing you ,don't they have the balls to post to everyone if not ,there opinion means little to me
nothing aimed at you . I do appreciate when you do post your builds . the weiger you did inspired me to build my much lesser quality clone .
I have no intention of naming names of those who PM an email me. I suspects its not about manning up an speaking out I suspect they don't really care to get into a heated debate over the matter. Most of these guys are still here time to time there still building but have moved to sites were building is the main focus an not what ever this site has become.
I have pretty much quit posting builds here due to the complete lack of interest an quite honestly due to concerns over all the very anti government anti leo a an some times violent innuendos an undertones . To be blunt I have become concerned that at some point this site will be targeted an its members looked at hard . IMO SOME of the content here makes gun owners look like paranoid nut balls. I willcontinue to post on the builds I have started here asI very slowly get t hem done or have something to add to a existing topic.
What ever changes have been made to the site a year or so ago have made Gunco almost invisible in a internet search .
For Example my accurate AK thread used tobe number one in any search a n it no longer even comes upin a search same for the 308 ak conversion thread an a few others that I worked very hard on . I dotn see how gunco will ever attract new members if the site is never linked to any thing gun related. this issue needs to be fixed .
there are likely about 10 billion arrests an police interactions with citizens every year with zero issues an problems but some how guys here read the crap in there Email in boxes an on right wing anti government sites an thing the whole world is coming after them an that every police interaction is going to result in there being beaten an ass raped an loose there guns . the trusth is 99.99% of the time cops are doing a very hard thankless job.
you guys want to see a person speaking out then look at who the OP here is ????? he has manned up an spoke his mind an has left . he an about 90% of the regular members have left.
this thread is now 6 pages long an half is still guys bitching about cops.
here is a much edited PM I got two weeks ago I will never name a name from a PM or email I get . I hope the sender is nit up set im using his partal PM to me. ;/
I have made lots of friends here an on other sites over the years an I get lots of PMs an emails an even phone calls . Whats happend to Gunco has been brought up many times .
Wow....does anyone over on Gunco actually build anything anymore?
nothing but political stuff. That used to be pretty active with builders.
You'd think with all the crap going on, more people would be getting into it!
. I am however, saddened that "good" cops get little recognition and that they are often targeted for retaliation by their fellow officers when they do come forward and speak up.
oft he few Leos i know most also donate free time to various events participate in a lot of public functions an are also very pro gun an pro constitutional . yes some do get frustrated at dealing with scum day in an day out but they hold it together , oftnat alossofamarragie an time with there childern.
Id challenge any one to go work in Milwaukee or chicago or la or detroit an not want to kill every person in sight eventually . there people just like you an I an a few bad one doesn't make the other 99% bad .
I shot the shit with the local top CSI guy the other night at the races we talked about guns out kids an duck hunting an how I could likely get a signature on a sbr an suppressor applications good guy all the way he helped me recover three guns a few years ago that were taken by a nut all GF . there is a reason he is at the top of the heapin his profession. he believes in his country an the constitution.
dutigaf - Hey brother, I'll fill you in via PM - it is something I didn't go into details on site about - but a couple of members know what is going on. I will gladly send a PM to fill you in.
As for other PM's, I got your last PM that was sent to multiple admin - but because of everything going on with my family recently haven't replied to it yet, and have been mulling over a response. As to other PM's that 1biggun is talking about if they were copied to staff - I can honestly say I didn't get them. And if my inbox ever hits a limit, I get an email saying it has. And I don't want to see Pryotex leave the site (or any leo/former leo that is pro-gun/pro-constitution).
As for other things, I'll fill you in via PM, email, or a phone call.
I dunno, guys. I suppose we could make it a rule here to have no complainin' about anybody in a position of authority. Government, LEO's, politicians, etc, etc. But I dont care for that.
I mean, crap, I work in HVAC. If someone starts complaing about what a crappy job some tech did to their AC and alot of people join in with horror storys about how shoddy the work was when someone worked on their heat & air am I gonna take it personally? Hell no! I know for a fact that my profession has its share of 'tards and crooks and folks that just dont give a rats ass. Go to HVACTALK. COM, they have a whole section devoted to shitty work that members have found on the job. And they bust out whoever done the job, if they know who it was. It betters the profession to weed out those not suited for the job. Its called self policing and every profession should do it. Its just that some dont. It gets covered up alot of the time. I think every abuse in all lines of work should be uncovered to see the light of day so they can be judged by the court of popular opinion. I'm done. I gotta mauser to build.
The trouble is 99% of the post there are now anti government BS an If you ignored all that there is no Gunco left .
AS far as guys not speaking up what is being missed here?? I have see least least 4 members speaking out in this thread alone including one who has left for good that makes up about half the numbers of the membership that is still posting regularly! I posted a much edited PM as well from another member.(No i will not post his name If you think Im lying then thats sad)
I also see gunco being referenced on other sites as being nothing but a anti government bitch site by former members. (Im lookign for the post )
PERSONALY I DONT WANT TO SEE ANOTHER THREAD WERE SOME ONE HERE SUGGEST SOME ONE IN POWER OR AUTHORITY NEEDS TO BE KILLED OR HURT IT MAKES GUN OWNERS LOOK LIKE IDIOTS AN WILL DRAW UNWANTED ATTENTION IMO .THE VEILED THREATS ARE NOT A WISE THING TO DO AS WELL IMO.
With this, and all your posts today, the MANY PM's and emails. I will stick it out. As the senior members said, without the build and contributions NONE OF US would be here or other sites. I will post the PKM Hammer fire conversion, my Polish AK build and the CZ26 that I am building now (These three first) Who knows, maybe we can fire up the building and GUN POSTS.
You guys are just as Kick ass, as my family at WG. Looking forward to the building.
I am working with the other admins to come up with a workable policy regarding GD posts. We are trying to come up with something that allows expression without bashing. Where is the line?
That's going to be hard one to come up with. My opinion is if I don't like it I DON'T READ IT.
No reason to get worked up and pee'd off about something.
We should all have our freedom of speech.no argument there.when a thread gets derailed I also think we know. You can kinda tell when someone is trolling or having a catfight.a warning or even two makes sense to me. Doesn't mean forever ban but a chill moment.make sense? I know it's hard to tell at times. I've needed one before!
I am glad you have decided to stay . I look forward to seeing more of your work the type of stuff that once made this site great .
as far as others PMing me hers is one I got permission to post I still left the name off as I feel its the right thing to do . 7.62x39 if you wan his name PM Me I can share it with you if ou would like with the permission of the person who wrote it .
Bob,
I have been well thanks. I made a stand on all this cop bashing nonsense back in October last year. I made a public post or two and I mentioned it to an admin; sniper69 (Mike) and to the former owner of the site; Bob if I am not mistaken.
Things did not change and if anything got worse. I decided not long after that to announce I would no longer be posting here. I think xxxxx comment was something to the effect " don't let the door hit you on the ass" I have not made any post since then and spend most of my time on the weapons guild where they do not tolerate any of this off topic rants. Unless this place changes greatly, I will probably even stop lurking here as I see nothing of value.
It is interesting, I was one of the first 100 people to join this site after an invite from the late Sang Run Hunter. At the time, there were some of the best minds and posts of any site I have been on to that point. Excellent ideas, tools, jigs and tutorials. Now, all I see is the cop hating, world is ending, "tin foil hat" depressing garbage posts that are nothing more than a waste of my time.
When I saw Pyrodex leave, I thought maybe that would maybe give the admins a clue that they need to put a little effort at stopping some of the extreme view points that place a real black mark on our hobby.
If you think it will do any good, you can use my the PMs I sent you and may even use my name if you want as I am not at all ashamed of my views.
A pm i GOT FROM A FELLOW MEAMBER AN BUILDER WHO GIVE ME PERMISSION TO POST .
Persoanly I think a lot of guys just don't want to deal with it
---Quote (Originally by xxxxxxxx)---
Thanks for posting some positive stuff on LEOs on this site. I was getting tired
of all the COP bashing garbage that a few of the members have been flooding
this site with. I was getting really fed up with it and am glad to see at least
someone balancing things out. Thanks for returning some civility.
It is obvious that we need to rein things in a little bit. Reporting on current events is fine, but when it crosses the line into bashing, it will no longer be tolerated. Please use the report post feature if you see anything out of line. I have moved GD to down near the bottom of the front page, at the suggestion of a member. Still easy to get to, while also easier to avoid for ones who want to do that.
What are your thoughts on removing GD from the "new posts" search? Anyone interested in the new GD posts can just go to that section, without it displaying for those who choose not to read them. I'm not even sure it can be done, but I would look into it if enough members would like to see it.
I hope these changes will strike a balance where everybody is happy, We'll see. If you have any other ideas or thoughts on the subject please contact Me.
Im on board with these changes as a former LEO the job is tough enough thats why I got out, I believe the turning point on here was when in fairness we allowed and tolerated FU and Big Tinz, these two drove this site into a hate feast we turned on each other.
Im also no stranger to stirring up the mix , but I never called others names more about different opinions
Im glad tony is willing to stay
I have found myself ignoring certain new members and there unrelated post to the subject at hand and building
There is an "ignore" button in a persons profile (don't know if it's active), just click on someone's name and it takes you to their profile page. It's on the left side, there's a list of things and one of them is ignore posts.
I don't mind the GD section was moved, at first I thought it was removed
Doesn't bother me in the slightest . good Move IMO
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