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    I hope we don't have a war with them but if we do we should fight to win.

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    Here's another read on the topic by the WSJ. be ready!!! Bret Stephens: Obama Is Pushing Israel Toward War - WSJ.com

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    Default I can't see open war with Iran at this point.

    I can't see open war with Iran at this point. For several reasons. Here are my top ones.

    1. Already have a two to 2.5 front war going on in Iraq, Afghanistan, and limited ops in Pakistan.

    2. Evidence of , "Cracks in the Wall", with the turnout of the voter fraud demonstrations we saw recently. It appears they don't have as much control as they would like. It would be easier to sit back and see if it crumbles from within.

    3. There are rumors of a existing proxy war already being waged by the US and allies inside Iran any way.

    Featured Article - WSJ.com
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    4. Open war would alienate current diplomatic missions with other middle east allies.

    And the list goes on. If I had to put my money on a horse here, it would be number three. I think this is has all the makings of the next, "Cold War", for the United States.

    Again just my opinion.

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    I just pray and hope NONE of these hot headed MUSLIMS are stupid enough to ever use NUKES!! However, there could be something like an EMP attack set off over the US mainland. This would put us on ICE and we would be open pretty much.

    Chavez has been lining up a party of Russian made hardware at a pretty big cost. That much spent must be for good reason. The US will not invade Venesuala and he knows it. However, he may partake of the USA on ICE as an easier time to rid himself and the rest of the Latin American countries of having to come to the USA for legit reasons.

    Nobody will destroy our Earth with NUKES! I hope not anyway. But, I will not leave out invasion and, totalitarian takeover control.
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    On this week's edition of "The Hal Lindsey Report," I'm beginning to feel like I'm living in Russia at the turn of the 20th century. Everywhere I look I see a 'czar!' President Obama has appointed almost 35 of them. Most of them are not confirmed by the Senate. Many of them answer only to the President. And all of them have the opportunity to wield vast power and influence over their vague areas of responsibility.

    Even more frightening than the simple existence of this layer of 'unaccountable' authority is the fact that many of these people who have the President's ear are products of the radical 60's and 70's. And some of them have brought their radical ideas with them. In fact, some of these 'czars' possess the most radical philosophies ever promoted by members of our government!

    Jesus predicted that in the last days, deception would be rampant. Sounds like he was talking about today, doesn't it? During the Presidential campaign last year, Hollywood mogul David Geffen abandoned his good friends Hillary and Bill Clinton to support Barack Obama. When asked why, he said, "Everybody lies, but the Clintons do it with such ease, it's troubling." The media gloated over the fact this major player was supporting their favorite candidate. In the hubbub that followed, though, they totally missed the impact of his statement: "Everybody lies." Many would say that Hollywood accusing Washington of lying is like the pot calling the kettle black, but the point is that even the liberals admit that deception is rampant in the world today, just as Jesus predicted.

    Do you have a favorite TV news channel? Do you watch it because its 'take' on the news is similar to yours? Don't worry, you're not alone. In today's TV news landscape, it seems that every news channel has its particular 'slant.' MSNBC leans left -- way left -- and FOX News leans right. All the other cable and broadcast network outlets fall in between (mostly to the left). So most viewers choose their TV news source because they feel comfortable with its 'slant' -- and they don't trust the ones with the opposite bias.

    Interestingly, though, the news sources that lean left (which is most of them) are hemorrhaging viewers and revenue. In fact, FOX News now attracts more viewers than all the other cable news channels combined. And as many people watch an episode of "Dancing With the Stars" as watch the news broadcasts of ABC, CBS, and NBC combined.

    Now, wouldn't you think the management of those networks would say, "Hey, we're not going to stay in business long if we keep losing viewers. Maybe we need to be a little less radically left and move our coverage back to the center, at least." But no one is saying that. In fact, they're drifting further to the left. This seems to defy even common business sense. They'd rather hang on to their liberal agenda than soften their slant so they can attract viewers and revenue. The Bible says that in the last days, men would not even be able to think in their own best interest. If you have stock in any of those companies, just beware that the management is not thinking in your best interest. Just as the Bible predicted.

    As things heat up in the push to ram Obamacare through the Congress, it's interesting to note that as the opinion polls show more and more people oppose the plan, the rhetoric from the Administration grows more and more hostile toward the opposition. It's now "us" versus "them." And the leadership's description of "them" is growing more sinister with each passing day.

    Finally, I'll take a few moments to discuss what the Bible says about the spirit of deception that will almost overtake us in the days just before the Rapture of the believers. Folks, we are living what Jesus, Peter, and Paul predicted for these times. Make certain you're ready to go!

    Don't miss this week's Report on TBN, Daystar, CPM Network, Inspiration, various local stations, The Hal Lindsey Report or HisChannel - Christian TV. Check your local listings.

    God Bless,
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    On this week's edition of "The Hal Lindsey Report": On Tuesday, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon convened the United Nations Summit on Climate Change. The session was attended by scores of heads of state from around the world. Secretary General Ban sees this summit as beginning the final push toward "an ambitious agreed outcome based on science at the UN climate talks in Copenhagen" in December. Sounds ominous.

    President Obama was the first national leader to speak. He said he was "proud to say" that the United States had done more to promote clean energy and reduce carbon pollution during his first eight months in office "than at any other time in our history." He must have been rhetorically referring to the "stimulus" money he received but hasn't spent yet.

    However, he didn't actually propose anything concrete. That's why some of his most ardent environmentalist supporters are getting angry. They smell another Kyoto in the air.

    And they won't admit it, but the air they're sniffing is somewhat cooler. In fact, this was a rather mild summer worldwide this year. That's probably due, in part, to the unusual solar minimum cycle we're currently experiencing. The global warming crowd (now they're known as the 'climate change' crowd since the 'warming' argument is beginning to wear thin) grudgingly admits that the cooling temperatures are due to the 'quiet sun' we've had in recent years. They blame the sun for the earth's cooling, but continue to blame man for the earth's warming. Go figure.

    This week, I'm going to show you video of former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice signing documents with leaders from the Czech Republic and Poland. Those documents embodied agreements for the US to place radar stations and Ballistic Missile Defense batteries in those nations. What's more, the Bush Administration didn't have to twist the arms of those countries to persuade them to allow us to install those defense systems. Their governments accepted them willingly, even enthusiastically. Those two nations are staunch allies of the US and want to develop closer ties with both the US and NATO. In fact, they've been among our firmest allies in Iraq.

    I'll also show you video of President Obama announcing that those agreements weren't worth the paper they were written on. Russia didn't want the BMD systems there, so, of course we'll make believe we never agreed to place them there in the first place. That way, Russia will be unimpeded as it seeks to re-establish its hegemony over the former Soviet Socialist Republics.

    And to add a grace note to the deed, the President announced our abandonment of the Czechs and the Poles on the 70th anniversary of Germany's invasion of Poland. Somebody in the White House did his homework!

    It's interesting that the Muslim world observes "Jerusalem Day" each year. That's the day Muslims stand in solidarity with the Palestinians. I say that it's interesting because even though Jerusalem is mentioned 700 times in the Jewish Holy Scriptures, it's not mentioned once in the Koran. King David founded Jerusalem, Mohammed never even visited it. (Of course, the Muslims say Mohammed tied his horse at the base of the Temple Mount and ascended to heaven from there. However, at the time, a Christian church stood on that spot. That's an interesting point of departure for the founder of Islam who considers Christians infidels!) But I digress. The Jews pray facing Jerusalem, the Muslims pray with their backs turned toward it. Until mid 20th-century, Jerusalem was nothing but a dirty backwater town to the Muslims, until the Jews began to return to the city. Then it became important to them.

    All that to say this: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad chose "Jerusalem Day" to unleash another tirade against Israel. (He was apparently trying out material for his later appearance at the opening of the United Nations -- but we'll cover that next week.) It's not that he said anything new, it's just alarming that he continues to spew the rhetoric as his nation barrels toward becoming a nuclear power. It's also alarming that nobody seems willing to stand up to Iran. We know now that even the IAEA is apparently in on the cover-up.

    Well, we knew it would happen sooner or later. A United Nations organization has labeled the US Dollar a "global confidence game." The UN Conference on Trade and Development also called for the dollar to be replaced as the world's reserve currency. They want some sort of international currency. China, India, Brazil, and Russia agree. In fact, China is beginning to purchase large amounts of SDR's or Special Drawing Rights from the International Monetary Fund. Any day now, China could call in its markers and the US would be bankrupt.

    Folks, it's all beginning to unravel. America is in more danger of falling than at any time in its history. But I believe Bible prophecy predicts this very decline. From this point on, we believers have to get serious. We are going to face discouragement, disillusionment and, most certainly, persecution in the time between now and the Rapture. But don't be discouraged or disillusioned. The coming turmoil will provide us unrivaled opportunities to share the good news of the Gospel. So be ready to share your faith and your hope with those who need Christ. We still have time to reap a great harvest of souls for God's kingdom!

    By the way, some of you e-mailed some questions regarding that period following the Rapture and the role of the Holy Spirit during that time. I'll attempt to answer some of those questions this week.

    Don't miss this week's Report on TBN, Daystar, CPM Network, Inspiration, various local stations, The Hal Lindsey Report or HisChannel - Christian TV. Check your local listings.

    God Bless,

    Hal Lindsey
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    Lightbulb ALL OF THE CLOWNS CAME TO THE TABLE THIS WEEK.

    On this week's edition of "The Hal Lindsey Report": The circus came to town last week. For entertainment value, the opening of the United Nations General Assembly didn't disappoint. But then, since Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Muammar Gadaffi have been around, there has been no shortage of hi-jinx and antics. I'm not even going to try to explain everything I'll show you this week, just tune in and experience it for yourself.

    Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu came to town, too. But he didn't come to entertain. His appearance was more like that of an Old West lawman standing in the dirt street outside the saloon. He called out the bad guys for a showdown in the street. It was the most courageous, unvarnished truth-slinging I've ever witnessed in a public forum. You might call it, "Gunfight at the UN Corral."

    U.S. President Barack Obama personified the definition of the word 'ubiquitous' ("existing or being everywhere, esp. at the same time") last week. He spoke at the UN Summit for Climate Change; he chaired a special session of the UN Security Council (the first time in UN history a sitting US President has chaired that body); he spoke at the opening session of the UN General Assembly; he moderated a meeting between Binyamin Netanyahu and Mahmoud Abbas; and he traveled to Pittsburgh to host the G-20 Summit. He seemed to be very popular with the other world leaders (Gadaffi called him a 'son of Africa' and said that he wished Obama could be America's president forever!), but he made some statements and proposals that I pray never come true. Tune in this week and you'll see what I mean!

    Don't miss this week's Report on TBN, Daystar, CPM Network, Inspiration, various local stations, The Hal Lindsey Report or HisChannel - Christian TV. Check your local listings.

    God Bless,

    Hal Lindsey
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    Nuclear weapons and Religious Fanaticism, when mixed, can lead to burnt orange skies. IMHO, the best place to be when all Hell breaks loose is at Ground Zero- quick and painless.

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    Just like mixing Alcohol with shooting guns. Mixing Fundamentalist religion with NUKE weapons will wind up being disaster!

    Mindless STUPIDITY, (RELIGION) will wind up being the cause of our end.

    The root cause for war and misery. But, these ORGANIZATIONS don't want you to think for yourself and reason things out. Be a wind up toy and pay us some of your money.

    GOD intends for us to use our minds and follow his word. MAN invented religion to control others and organize a way to keep getting paid.
    M U S I B I K E

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUSIBIKE View Post
    Just like mixing Alcohol with shooting guns. Mixing Fundamentalist religion with NUKE weapons will wind up being disaster!

    Mindless STUPIDITY, (RELIGION) will wind up being the cause of our end.

    The root cause for war and misery. But, these ORGANIZATIONS don't want you to think for yourself and reason things out. Be a wind up toy and pay us some of your money.

    GOD intends for us to use our minds and follow his word. MAN invented religion to control others and organize a way to keep getting paid.
    very well put!!!
    now only if we can get out of the religion and back to GOD

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