I'm new to this but from what I've read, I can't argue with anything posted on this topic. I recently bought what I was able to, a Grizzly 9 X 19 and their mini-mill. I choose Grizzly over Harbor Freight because a 4 jaw chuck was included. Of course like everyone else I would like bigger stuff, but my workshop is quite small and weight was a factor too. The lathe had a shipping weight of 300 lbs. , but uncrated I suspect it weighs about the same as H.F.s' - 230 lbs. Anyway, it's small enough I could move it and place it by myself. Both machines were delivered for just under $1500.