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    According to the latest issue of the Army Times, the Army has adopted a new semi-auto sniper rifle to complement the current inventory. This is basically that which the Navy Seals have already adopted. It is reportedly the XM110 is based on the Knight?s Armament MK11 MOD 0 rifle (in .308) ? think AR-10 made by Knight?s. They?re planning to have about 5,000 of them in the field over the next few months. It looks pretty cool and an even cooler thing to me is that they have a suppressor to add to it. Suppressed .308 baybee! Apparently this was to have been done a while back, but the Seals found a problem that was due to some ammo issue (details vague). They switched to better ammo and presto no more problem.

    It will be interesting to see how this is employed. A sniper support element with a 20-round semi capability could add some very interesting synergy to the current sniper force.
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    HcPookie,

    What no pics????????????????

    thanks for the info
    great job at keeping an ear open to new developements at fed gov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lt762x39
    HcPookie,

    What no pics????????????????

    thanks for the info
    great job at keeping an ear open to new developements at fed gov.
    Found this. looks cool.
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    here is the article from the ARMY TIMES

    Marksmen add semiauto rifle, may keep bolt-action favorite

    By Matthew Cox
    Times staff writer

    Army sniper teams will soon add a semiautomatic sniper rifle to their arsenal, but they may get to keep their trusted bolt-action shooter, the M24.

    By early next year, Army snipers could deploy to Iraq and Afghanistan with the XM110, a version of Knight?s Armament Co.?s MK11 MOD 0 rifle, the sniper rifle Navy SEALs have used since the late 1990s.

    The Army selected the Knight?s Armament rifle in September as the winner of an open competition, but a protest from Remington Arms Co., the maker of the M24 sniper rifle, all but put the program on hold until mid-January.

    That?s when a Government Accountability Office report denied Remington?s protests that the Army?s evaluation of their proposal was ?unreasonable and that the resulting award decision was improper.?

    Weapons officials from the Army?s Project Manager Crew Served Weapons, who are moving forward with the project, hope to have technical and operational testing completed by early summer and to begin fielding the first of 4,492 XM110s by January, said Lt. Col. Kevin Stoddard, product manager for Crew Served Weapons.

    ?The gun has actually been running extremely well,? he said in a phone interview, describing how additional testing is a priority before soldiers take it into combat.

    ?Reliability is everything to us. When we accept guns, we are going to shoot them, we are going to look at them and we are going to make sure the reliability is there.?

    The XM110 Semiautomatic Sniper System looks like an M16 with a 20-round magazine chambered for 7.62mm ammunition. It?s equipped with a Leupold 3.5 X 10 scope, bipod and a removable sound suppressor. It has a maximum effective range equal to or better than the M24?s 800 meters, Army weapons officials said.

    It was designed to give snipers the ability to shoot multiple targets at close range in addition to taking longer-range precision shots with the same accuracy of the M24 sniper rifle.

    This isn?t the first time the Army has adopted a semiautomatic sniper rifle. Throughout the 1980s, Army snipers used the M21, a customized version of the M14, before it was replaced by the M24 in 1988.

    Protecting an old favorite

    The original intent of the XM110 was to serve as a replacement for the M24, but comments from the sniper community in the past year have prompted the Army to rethink that decision.

    There is an argument that bolt-action rifles, which have fewer moving parts, are more accurate than a more complex semiauto design.

    But Infantry Center officials at Fort Benning, Ga., say much of a weapon?s accuracy is linked to the individual shooter?s skill and training.

    Snipers like the M24?s stealth factor, too, said Maj. Glenn Dean, chief of small arms at the Infantry Center.

    ?Under certain conditions, particularly when you have to deal with a malfunction of the weapon, a bolt gun can be considerably quieter,? Dean said. ?You can load and clear a malfunction more quietly; that?s what the sniper folks are telling us. ? Units in the field have come back to us and said, ?We would really like to retain this capability.??

    The issue is still under consideration, Dean said, adding that the Army is scheduled by the end of the year to make a decision about whether the XM110 will replace the M24 or serve as a second sniper weapon.

    Initial reliability problems plagued the MK11 MOD 0, the forerunner of the XM110 that first saw service with the SEALs. During testing of the MK11, the weapon?s bolt wouldn?t cycle fully after firing.

    The problem with the Navy weapon was later discovered to be that certain lots of M118LR ammunition were loaded with ball propellant, which is not designed for use in semiautomatics.

    The XM110 performed well in the competition, but the Army is in the process of putting the weapon through a number of required technical shooting and field tests now that the GAO upheld the contract award.

    ?I?m happy it?s resolved,? Stoddard said.

    Rifle specs
    XM110 Semiautomatic Sniper System

    Cartridge: 7.62 x 51mm NATO

    Operation: Gas operated, semiautomatic

    Locking System: Rotating bolt

    Feed: 10- or 20-round magazines

    Weight: 17.2 pounds with iron sights, rifle scope and mounts; bipod and mount; a fully loaded 20-round magazine; and sound suppressor.

    Barrel length: 20 inches

    Max effective range: 800 meters

    M24 sniper rifle

    Cartridge: 7.62 x 51mm NATO

    Operation: Manual bolt action, single shot

    Feed: Five-round integral box magazine

    Weight: 17 pounds with sling, day optic, fully loaded five-round magazine, bipod and tools

    Barrel length: 24 inches

    Max effective range: 800 meters
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    in a related story.......

    Time to go SNIPER!
    Twice the classes planned as demand increases

    By Matthew Cox
    Times staff writer
    Army Sniper School is considering doubling the number of classes it teaches per year. Four years ago, the sniper training course at Fort Benning, Ga., was churning out about eight rotations annually, producing 250 to 290 snipers a year. But the urban battlefields of Iraq and a push to turn battalion sniper sections into platoons has sniper instructors preparing to teach twice as many classes per year, said Sgt. 1st Class Steve Penix, chief instructor at Benning?s sniper course. Training and Doctrine Command ?is telling us we need to be running 13 to 19 classes per year,? he said.
    This is just one of the many potential changes Sniper School is planning to help keep up with the Army?s constantly evolving sniper mission. The others include:
    ? Possibly increasing the length of the course from five to six weeks.
    ? Adding instruction on foreign sniper weapons.
    ? Adding pistol instruction.
    The increased need for snipers means there is no better time for soldiers who want to pursue this elite profession.
    As part of the Army?s transformation from 33 active combat brigades 42 modular brigade combat teams, the service is considering creating sniper platoons.
    ?It could go as high as a 30-man platoon. We are pushing for somewhere between 20 and 30,? Penix said.
    Sniper sections now consist of a section leader and three three-man teams. ?With the new units coming in, if they get their sniper platoons, they are going to have to fill that platoon,? Penix said.
    Instructors are considering adding another week of training to the course now that the Army is adopting a new semiautomatic sniper rifle.
    The XM110 Semiautomatic Sniper System was originally intended to replace the current M24 bolt-action sniper rifle. But officials at the Infantry Center at Benning are rethinking this decision because some soldiers in the sniper community want to keep the venerable bolt-action rifle along with the new semiauto rifle, a move that would give sniper teams more flexibility.
    Currently, sniper students qualify on the 7.62mm M24 and the .50-caliber M107 semiautomatic sniper rifle during the five-week sniper course. Adding the XM110 to the equation would require the course to be lengthened from five weeks to six weeks, Penix said.
    The XM110 is a 7.62mm semiautomatic weapon designed to increase the sniper?s ability to shoot multiple targets with the same level of accuracy as the M24, said Maj. Glenn Dean, chief of Small arms at the Infantry Center.
    Combat units have expressed a need for this capability, but in the past year, they have argued there is still a need for the bolt-action M24, he said.
    The Army is scheduled to make a decision on the issue by the end of the year, Dean said.
    Sniper School also recently began familiarizing students with foreign sniper weapons.
    ?What we are trying to do is get as many foreign sniper systems as we can,? Penix said, describing the list of potentials such as the former Soviet-style SVD and the Israeli Galil.
    The new focus was prompted by a 3rd Infantry Division account in which a soldier was forced to use an enemy sniper weapon to engage a sniper, Penix said.
    The unit was disposing of a cache of enemy weapons ?when they started receiving sniper fire,? Penix said. ?They didn?t have snipers with them, but one of their guys was sniper-qualified. He went down to the cache, found an SVD and loaded up and started doing countersniper work.?
    Members of the unit said they didn?t know if they killed the sniper, but ?they quit taking sniper fire,? Penix said, describing how a soldier who is sniper-qualified but not in a sniper slot can become a sniper quickly, if need be.
    Lastly, Sniper School is trying to work some pistol training into the course.
    Some units already have snipers carry a service pistol as their backup while other units have them carry an M4 carbine, Penix said.
    While it?s still in the planning stages, the training would likely be done in an urban setting, Penix said.
    ?The team may have to go into a hide site and clear a room, and it is no fun having to clear a room with a bolt-action rifle,? he said.

    Sniper school
    While the Army may increase the length of sniper school by another week, soldiers who attend now at Fort Benning, Ga., follow this basic curriculum:
    Week 1
    Weapon familiarization on M24 sniper rifle
    Target detection training
    Marksmanship training
    Range estimation training
    Ballistics training
    Known distance shooting with M24
    Unknown distance shooting with M24
    Written exam
    Week 2
    Graded target detection
    Graded range estimation
    Unknown distance shooting with M24
    Concealment and camouflage training
    Written exam
    Week 3
    Stalking
    Shooting daytime moving targets with M24
    Week 4
    Shooting night moving targets with M24
    Graded stalk
    Urban operations training
    Week 5
    Shooting unknown distance targets with M107 .50-caliber sniper rifle
    Tracking and counter tracking training
    Sustainment class that covers continuation of training at unit level
    Written final exam
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    Nice looking rifle, seen some pics from Shot Show..

    Now for the fun part.. It's avalibel to civvies for the low low price of............


    $25,000... Yep, Ole Reed knight has lost his friggin mind..
    Repeal FOPA NOW!!!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by mike26038

    Now for the fun part.. It's avalibel to civvies for the low low price of............


    $25,000... Yep, Ole Reed knight has lost his friggin mind..
    no he hasn't lost his mind......there are wannabes out there with that kind of money that will want one. look at the wannabes buying AIMNPOINTs.....is a red dot scope really worth 300+ dollars, of cource it isn't, but since the military buys them, every wannabe with a AR wants one to put on his rifle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike26038
    Nice looking rifle, seen some pics from Shot Show..

    Now for the fun part.. It's avalibel to civvies for the low low price of............


    $25,000... Yep, Ole Reed knight has lost his friggin mind..
    OUCH - I could buy a real nice sailing yacht for that money!
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    Quote Originally Posted by W.T. Sherman
    no he hasn't lost his mind......there are wannabes out there with that kind of money that will want one. look at the wannabes buying AIMNPOINTs.....is a red dot scope really worth 300+ dollars, of cource it isn't, but since the military buys them, every wannabe with a AR wants one to put on his rifle.
    Amen! You can get a really good red dot for $75 . Or like me and my Dad, you can get a decent one for $35 from BSA.

    What the Aimpoint people ought to do is make a very basic unit that looks ;ike the Aimpoint, but is a basic red dot for $75. They would sell even faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SangRun Hunter
    Amen! You can get a really good red dot for $75 . Or like me and my Dad, you can get a decent one for $35 from BSA.

    What the Aimpoint people ought to do is make a very basic unit that looks ;ike the Aimpoint, but is a basic red dot for $75. They would sell even faster.
    why should they? they are making too much money selling the same ones the military has......you and I know that the true hard core wannabes will buy the 300+ dollar ones, even if AIMPOINT made a basic copy of it for less........because that is what our boys are using.


    just for shits and giggles go over to arfnuts and say you bought a HAKKO red dot, which is a knock off of a AIMPOINT that is under a 100 bucks, and is just as good as AIMPOINT for range use, and you will be flammed from every wannabe over there..... and there are plenty of them over there.....you'll get really walloped by the vendors there who carry the AIMPOINT sights, that make a killing selling those over priced red dot scopes to them


    believe me if US OPTICS had a contract to supply scopes to the military.....no "self respecting wannabe" would even consider buying a AIMPOINT.

    never underestimate the power of the wannabe dollar....it's what keeps those aftermarket junk AR vendors in business...like magpul and others..... throw in "mil-spec" in the advertisment, charge more money for it, and you will have wannabes coming out of the wood work with their money in their hand
    "I can make this march, and make georgia howl!"

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