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    Default My FAL vs G3 observations

    I swear I hate these troll-collecting "which is better Ford or Chevy" discussions, but I own one of each and I'm in a ranting kind of mood tonight

    I may be a little biased because I like FN products. Have owned/own an FNC, P90, FAL, and love(d) every one of them. My Teutonic Steel collection consists/consisted of the G3 (Portugese and YES it still counts although it wasn't built out of Black Forest Steel by Teutonic Gnomes), SL8/G36 conversion, and a USP compact pistol. Haven't been ecstatic over any of them for different reasons I won't go into here. That and because HK hates me

    I bought my preban Portugese G3 *during* the ban and paid well for it. Required some work and bought pricey rare (at the time) parts to complete the package deal... -91 style furniture, collapsible stock, pile of mags, etc. I even bought the $400 HK "Heavy" bipod, which I've only seen in Buddy Hinton's picture album. What kind of moron buys a $400 bipod!!! Never have seen pics of that in the wild... only in US collections. In truth I think they built that to make money from US collectors as the "ultra rare factory heavy bipod". Seriously!



    I must say that the overall fit and finish of the G3 is nice, but darn is it heavier than the FAL, no matter which furniture set I put on it! Considerably heavier. So much for the "stamped receivers are lighter" argument. If I had to go hiking around with one or the other, I would choose the FAL, no questions asked.

    The drum sights on the G3 aren't the best. That V-notch just doesn't give me a good sight window as the "ghost" shadow it leaves just doesn't work for me. Maybe it is just my eyes, but honestly I prefer setting it to the 200 peep hole and just aiming low. The FAL sights are the ghost ring as well but I've noticed they don't offer the most uniform shadow. Perhaps it is just mine, but the ghost ring doesn't look like normal peeps I've used. Like it has a burr hanging into the peep. So no one wins here. But the FAL peep has a slight edge. Nitpicking I'm sure.

    Speaking of sighting solutions, I love the FAL Trilux scope so much that I have it on my Para (although the collector in my knows that isn't "correct"). I may buy a 2nd one for my Galil. I have yet to buy the G3 optic but the ones I've seen are fairly pricey. I would love to find some of those higher-power scopes for both rifles, but I don't have 1K to spend on glass for safe queens.

    I am probably the only person on the planet that doesn't like the "cool" HK clips on the HK multi-use sling. You cannot use them without scratching the finish because the "no-slip" design acts like a file on the sling loop. Ditto for the single-point buckle - scratch-o-matic when using it! And the single-point clip, while well placed on the handguard, doesn't always stay in place. Not a problem on a service weapon for the guy guarding a road block, but the collector in me winces every time I have to remove or install it. Heck even with an AK sling you can use pliers to squeeze the clip enough to avoid excessive scracthing on the finish, but not so for the HK clips. The FAL sling I have is a bit nicer since it attaches like a belt. Don't think it is FAL-original but it works with the sling loops. The G3 leather slings are next to impossible to buckle up. FAL wins here. Nitpicking again.

    And why is it on the G3 that every thing you put on it has to gouge into the finish? The HK claw scope mount, the carry handle, even the HK bipod all terribly scratch the finish. Assembly and disassembly scratch the finish due to the slip-on nature of the stock and grip frame. FAL winner here too.

    Whoever designed the G3 must have been counting on never using the weapon prone, because you can't touch that charging handle way up there near the muzzle! At least the FAL charging handle is close enough that you can grab it. Both are smartly located on the weak hand side, so magazine changes and action cycles are relatively easier than for example AKs. Not that I'm a big acronym-club-speed-shooter that requires .017 second reloads, mind you. FAL wins again.

    I admit that I like the G3 paddle magazine release infinitely better than the FAL. If the FAL mag release were reshaped to be less of a cheese grater it would be nice. Actually the fact that it is so short means the leverage you must exert is higher. So I think it needs simply to be longer and that would do the trick. But the default size and shape just doesn't do it for me. G3 absolutely wins here unless you're comparing to a "standard" semi-only G3 conversion where the paddle mag has not been installed, then it goes to the FAL.

    Now I must admit I've always been fond of the FAL's para folding stock. I think watching the Wild Geese as a kid burned the image of the FAL (and Uzi!) into my head as the premier battle implements by which all others are judged. Thankfully the Wild Geese DVD was released However to be realistic, the FAL folding stock just works. The G3 collapsible stock seems like an afterthought. It is like one of the Teutonic Gnomes mining Black Forest Steel for the G3 assembly line looked at a pic of an M3 grease gun and said "yeah let's add one of those". Since the G3 is a recoil action, all of that energy is telegraphed to your shoulder and turns the collapsible stock into the HK Rebar Face Slapper... try it and you'll know what I mean. Great for testing the integrity of your fillings! I dislike it so much so that although I paid preban prices for it, I keep it in the spare parts box and keep the synthetic full stock on it at all times. FAL wins with TWO hands down!

    Speaking of recoil, the FAL, being a gas-operated system, keeps much of that recoild off the shoulder. It just kicks so much less than the G3 it isn't really fair to compare the two. I have a hard time, even with the bipod, cranking off a mag in the G3 and keeping it anywhere near the target. I can't believe the real version would be used in FA - ever - in an unsupported stance. And yes if you are at a range to do it, try emptying all 20 rounds out of the mag into a target at 100 yards at a sustained fire rate with the bipod out on both. You'll impact all over the place with the G3! The FAL isn't too bad, it just seems to be better at this. I'm sure enough practice would tame that wild horse but it isn't realistic to try, especially if the brain-craving undead are rapidly approaching. Subjectively, FAL wins here.

    OK enough of my venting and nitpicking. I can't speak for long-term reliability in either as I don't have cases of 308 laying around to shoot up. Nor do I have a good accuracy report. I can make cans dance with both, so I think both are good enough in that department. Anyway I got it off my chest so now I feel better

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    I love the fal also. I love it so much that after I built my first fal, I sold my G3.

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    FAL ftw. Though the roller delayed system is more accurizable, kinda like an AR vs an AK. The FAL [and ak] has the piston and handguard hanging out there, and there ain't no real easy way to do a free floating barrel on either. The G3 has no gas system, and can be pretty easily free floated.

    I still prefer the [metric pattern] FAL though.

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    When I was in South Africa they compared the G3 and the FAL. They found to perform a "proper" magazine change took four times longer with the G3. Now some of that is the design of the magwell. The FAL has a one sided "scoop" and the G3 has a narrow sheet metal extension. But also the G3 magazine change calls for locking open the bolt first. The SA Marines patrolling the Zambezi River used G3's because the SA Navy captured a shipment of new G3's. Mostly the G3's were issued to horseback mounted troops as the G3 was deemed to fit their use better. They had some even heavier stocks added though, but these did improve the balance and reduce recoil. Also the standard G3 buttstocks were found to break more easily. I once broke the front sight completely off of a G3 banging it against an armoured vehicle.

    I don't like the balance of the G3. it doesn't carry well and feels even heavier than it is. The sights are pretty good once you get used to them though. In full auto the FAL can sometimes suffer from "bang-bang-click" harmonics induced stoppage that always seems to fires two shots and then misfire the third round. The G3 seems more reliable in full auto and the rate of fire is slower.

    Of the "modern" countries that used the FAL and the G3, the G3 seems to have outlasted the FAL by about 10 years. This mostly due to cost. The FAL has a lot more parts which requires stocking a lot more spares and a lot more armourer training to replace them. The price of the FAL is higher but the FN license is cheaper than H&K and it is less strict. The FN license allows ANY changes and updates at no additional cost. The H&K license cost more and allows no changes and any updates require buying a whole new license. I think this is why Portugal never updated from the 1961 design.

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    A Comparative Evaluation of the 7.62MM and 5.56MM, G-3 Assault Rifles

    ARMY BALLISTIC RESEARCH LAB ABERDEEN PROVING GROUND MD

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    i have had the FAL and a g3 for decades. i also prefer the FAL for the most part.

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    I love my fal's they seem like the most ergonimically correct guns I own. as for the g3 series I really do not see them as some superior or better shooting rifle,

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    This is an interesting thread I've never shot either personally. I have a pretty good handle on the hk weapons system by my fal knowledge is very limited. For me I prefer the look and simplicity of design (my understanding and opinion). Also maybe it's just me but it seems the g3 is a little more modular (especially meaning a real one). I personaly wouldn't pay nearly as much money on a g3 kit or rifle as I would be willing to spend on a fal though. For me the best of both worlds would be both, an isreali hb fal safe queen that I'd take to the range and a well built cetme from a cheap kit as a fun goof around gun that I wouldn't mind beating on.

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    For accuracy I like the G3 but forget the folding stock if your shooting more than 20 Rnd's
    as stated above the Fal has less felt recoil but I don't like the rear sight placement to get a good cheek weld for sighting in on your target. The G3 is lower and easier to get on target in my opinion. In maintenance the FAL is much more friendly. I also have to agree
    the FAL is lighter to carry, So over all the FAL wins in my book.
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    +1 for the FAL in my book also.


    I would however like to do exactly what jreifsch80 said and get a CETME for a beater .308 and keep the FAL in excellent condition and if SHTF ever the FAL along with the AK would be my main weapons of choice.

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