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Thread: 'Confederate' AK in .36 caliber (9x39mm)

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    Norinco imported a handful of muzzle loading SKS right after the AW ban started. There are a couple of web sites describing them. I guess it shows even the faceless billions of Communist China can have a sense of humor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1biggun View Post
    there is no reason a black powder round wont work in a AK there would be a ton crud from the powder but it would go bang for a while. getting the pressure high enough to cycle with out a huge port to get it to cycle would possable be a issue but im sure it could be done. .
    I remember someone posting here I think, they said they loaded a round of x39 with black powder to see if it would work, they said it cycled and everything. I don't really doubt it, what with how freakin' huge the AK's gas port is... Probably wouldn't cycle for too long though, with how dirty BP is.

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    You know, thinking about it, though the AK-47 itself would be a big step forward, the *bigger* step forward would be from examining its ammunition. Figure they'd be using corrosive milsurp ammo... that's potassium chlorate primers, very nearly the perfect priming compound - cheap, virtually insensitive to extremes of temperature, and doesn't degrade over time, like the old mercuric and some new non-lead, non-corrosive primers. The CSA wouldn't care about it being corrosive; all their primers were corrosive anyway. And the best thing is, the chlorate priming compound is simple enough that 1860s chemists could identify and duplicate it.

    There had been nitrocellulose gunpowders before 1865, but they had been unstable and tended more to being explosives than propellants - the French had tried nitrated wood pulp, and the Swiss had tried some other stuff, but they weren't making much progress. The chemistry of a modern smokeless propellant isn't very complex, but the processes to making a reliable propellant are. Still, just *knowing* there was a solution would have been an enormous help.

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    Darn, if I did not know better, someone would think you all are looking to get on a Armageddon reality show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8mm-man View Post
    The problem I would see it having is in cycling.
    We know an AK will go through at least one magazine of black powder reloads without a stoppage.

    Even if it stopped there, that's 30 rapid-fire rounds, and you could strip it, rod out the gas system, and reassemble it faster than you could reload a muzzle-loader.

    However, even if you left the gas system off and operated it as a straight-pull bolt action, the firepower advantage over the enemy would still be enormous. Even 50 years later, most of the world's military considered five rounds to be sufficient for a battle rifle, the only notable exception being those wacky Brits with an astonishing *ten* rounds in their Enfields.

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    a black powder SKS? muzzle loading to boot? where do i sign up for one! that is just too damn cool!

    we should build a muzzle loading AKM! LOL!
    Last edited by j427x; 01-17-2011 at 11:26 AM.

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    Most military forces today still use some muzzle loaders. They're called mortars and probably could even use black powder.

    I have used 100 year old black powder .303 rifle blanks to launch training rifle-grenades. They work well and are predictable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [486] View Post
    Probably wouldn't cycle for too long though, with how dirty BP is.
    Use a Yugo M72 or Chinese NHM91 profile barrel and a Yugo M70 gas block.

    Don't mount the grenade launcher sight, but make the gas-flow bolt do double-duty as a removable clean-out plug. Attach the gas flow bolt to the front sling mount with a cute little chain, very 19th century style, so that Cletus & Bubba don't lose it.

    Next problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Story View Post
    Use a Yugo M72 or Chinese NHM91 profile barrel and a Yugo M70 gas block.

    Don't mount the grenade launcher sight, but make the gas-flow bolt do double-duty as a removable clean-out plug. Attach the gas flow bolt to the front sling mount with a cute little chain, very 19th century style, so that Cletus & Bubba don't lose it.

    Next problem?
    Hm? Why does it need a clean out port? Just get one of the gas port cleaners that the AMDs came with. They ruined chrome lining but they'd scrape out BP fouling right quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [486] View Post
    Hm? Why does it need a clean out port? Just get one of the gas port cleaners that the AMDs came with. They ruined chrome lining but they'd scrape out BP fouling right quick.
    Just because it'd be one of those over-thought, over-engineered 19th-century style touches.

    Quote Originally Posted by Story View Post
    As a spinoff of this thread, is anyone familiar with the GUNS OF THE SOUTH?
    (See this thread Guns of the South - Gunco.net )
    The finish non-existent (as period arms can "armory bright")
    On second thought, this'd probably have a highly polished blue, since it'd be a limited-issue and probably a hideously expensive weapon - not unlike the Lemat revolver (which was purchased from British factories for @ $37 apiece, IIRC).
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    LeMat revolver

    Source on surplus Army of Northern Virginia magazine pouches
    https://www.libertytreecollectors.co...&idcategory=33

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