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    Default 22 sabots in a AK???

    I orderd some sabots that allow you to shoot .22 bullets out of a 30 calibure bore yesterday. not sure if they will feed in a AK or not but for $20 its worth a try and if they dont I will load up the rest in my 30-06.
    these will allow you to get around 35,000+ FPS out of a 7.62x39. I will hopefully know if they work next week I dont know what the accuracy will be like but it would be cool to try to shoot praire dogs at 250 yards with my AK hunting pistol just to say Ive done it.
    WARNING DO NOT USE WTH A MUSSEL BRAKE OR FLASH SUPRESSOR!!!!! they can get caught and plug the barrel. I got the ones from eabco but there are others that are cheaper. any one tried these???????

    http://www.maadigriffin.com/sabots.htm

    http://www.ammo-one.com/SABOT.html

    https://www.eabco.com/reload02.html


    http://www.magnumimports.co.nz/sabots/reloading.htm

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    Smile Sabots

    I think you got the comma in the wrong place.
    It should be about 3,500 to3,700 fps
    I loaded some 30-30 and 308 with 55 gr. bullets and imr 3031
    For some reason they hit higher than the 150 gr loads.
    Accuracy is not there because only the plastic of the sabot touches the rifling.
    Less recoil and fun to shoot.
    Never thought about loading 7.62x39 may have to give that a try with some of the
    62 gr green tip bullets I picked up.
    Thanks for the reminder

    MTAKNUT

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    Correct 3,500+ fps
    how bad was the accuracy? compared to the standard 308??

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    Out of my m-1 garand, 8" at 100yds, commercial 30-06 gives me 2-3"
    out of my L1A1, 6" at 100 yards, commercial 308 3-4"
    the garand did not cycle, the L1A1 with the port closed mostly did.
    They were fun to play with, but nothing else.
    Oh and the sabot comes to a stop about 15 yards away, the muzzle brake was unscrewed on the L1A1. There were some keyholes on the garand clearly indicating the bullet was not stabilized.

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    Nasa called... They are interested in your ability to shoot projectiles at over 30 times the speed of sound with only the addition of some sort of unknown superpolymer.

    I'm just giving you a little hell. In all reality, I would like to try using some of these saboted accelerator rounds. I have always been intrigued by the thought of using such products. I am curious about their use in semi-autos, I would like to know what you find with regards to gas port fouling, backpressure and cycling issues and the like. I am also curious as to the internal, external, and forensic ballistic charicteristics of sabot accelerated projectiles.

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    Well they are on the way hope to have a answer next week. This site had some load info http://www.magnumimports.co.nz/sabots/reloading.htm

    . I will start with that. I think they will cycle the action as the pressures are about the same as standard ammo. not sure if they will feed correctly may hang up or some thing. to be honest I modify the bullet guide and barrel on all my builds to feed soft point ammo better so maybe they will work. I recall that the old remington accelerators were susposed to shoot about the same group as a 30-06 would with normal ammo. that I could live with, bit a 8" group will not cut it. I can do better than that at 200 yards with an AK now. I was looking for some thing to blast varmits? rabites ect with out of my pistol that would kick less and be more fun to shoot. it would be nice to be able to pull bullets out of wolf ammo and relace the with a sabot and cheap 22 bullet. I saw some wood traning rounds some were cheap was thinking one might be able to use them as well with sabots and new powder.

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    quick up date. YES they will cycle!! I pulled some bullets from some wolf ammo and replaced with some 50 grain v max and left the powder charge the same ran 5 through a Rommy with no problems. you do not need the tool to install the bullet in the sabot as they install by han easy. i did use a a Lee factory crimp die after seating the bullet as the .308 sabot is not real snug in the case after seating. I wil load some this week end with brass cases and proper (more powder) and have a accuracy report soon. but they will cycle

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    That is pretty cool to know. Looking forward to the grouping report.

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    Hey you know I was thinking about the "not stabilizing" info - you know those cool slo-mo pics of an M1 Abrams firing the sabot round? Well, I realized that the sabots "fly away" in pieces after exiting. It may be that the .22 sabots can't because they are stuck together.

    I wonder, since I've never held one before, if the sabots need to be cut apart at the "seam" before they are loaded to help them fly away from the bullet? I remember seeing a photo of some and they looked like a one piece "tube" into which the bullet was inserted...???
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    they are a tube with slots that let the sabot flower out as it leaves the barrel. from what I have read heavier bullets are best with these. I was also going to try a magnim primer and no powder with the lightest bullet I can find to try to make some indoor 20 yard play ammo. hand cycle of course.

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