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    Default 450 Bushmaster in SWAT magazine...

    ... is a waste of time. Don't waste your money.

    Dude talks more about his hog hunt than the actual caliber. "The cartridge is so new there is no ballistics info about this caliber" is how they worked around the technical details. Which is why I spent the $5.00 on the mag to begin with. The one and only "good" photo of the bullets is the same as on the Hornady website. Lame, really.

    I'd get a refund if I could. It was bundled with a "models" calendar which frankly is a joke, even if you are into good looking models with guns.

    Again, don't waste your money.
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    The only "specifications" from the article:

    Bullet: 250-gr. SST (Super Shock Tip)
    Velocity: Approx. 2,200 FPS
    Barrel length: 20 inch
    Twist: 1:24

    Everything else is fluff. It is single stack instead of staggered... (rolls eyes)
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    I have noticed a significant lack of info on this round too. Even contacting Bushmaster doesn't help. All I seem to find is vague statements like "This is a boar hunters dream" and "A revolutionary round with outstanding ballistics".

    I would like to see trajectory and velocities and wind drift. (I know its for short range but come on.)

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    try shotgun news form about a month ago.... got some of the info that you want there and a lot of test news.
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    Dutigaf, I'm not sure where to find SN backissues?

    VZ, they DID say that the cartridge is "slightly tapered" but gave no measurements. He hinted at the taper helping extraction vs. a straight-wall case.
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    I think it is basicaly a 284 cut down to around 1.5 inches. and a 44 mag pistol bullet but it the hornady plastic tiped bullet that only likes one twist rate and that rate does not work real well with othe pistol bullets or heavier rifle bullets. so IMOA you are kind of stuck with using the one hornady designed bullet. I think for an AK a .longer case would be a better deal 444 marlin 458x2 american/barnes there is really no need to be confined to the small case length as long as loads are kept within reason. the bush master appears to have around the same ballistics as 444 marlin as well

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    Well we won't know for sure until we either get some in our hands and measure them against a 284, or find actual cartridge specs.

    I think Hornady will pull through on this one, and will probably put something on their website for it. They have a huge interest in seeing this cartridge succeed, so I'm confident info will be found sooner or later.

    One thing I thought was interesting is that it uses its own follower- not a "staggered" follower like normal, but just a huge scooped out area in the middle. Looks odd. I will guess a normal follower would work, and a quick dremel job would probably "convert" a follower. That it fits in an AR mag makes it an interesting idea. I think a Mini-14 conversion would be PERFECT for this cartridgle! A Mini-450?
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    FYI, I just checked and MidwayUSA has no barrels in 1:24 twist. The 45 ACP is 1:16 and they have a few in that twist, but nothing 1:24. Closest is 1:20, which is probably OK - a bit more twist would spin it more and give it better stability, but my understanding is that faster spin would make it more susceptible to spin-offs if shooting through brush or something like that.

    Since they recommend the 20" barrel for the best velocity, perhaps a 16" barrel with the 1:20 twist would give it the same stability. Not sure.
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    HC In those links on the 444 marlin conversion Tony from tromik speaks about what worl=ks good with that bullet. Im pressty sure the 444 marlin with the hornidy leverelution ammo is the same bullet as the Bushmaster. Tony gets prety specific what works with what.

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