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Thread: Not quite "intermediate" - .45-70 conversion?

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    The .444 marlin was originally made from untrimmed 30.06 brass in development by Remington.The rim was left untrimmed for .444 & trimmed for 30.06. The first .444 cases were headstamped 30.06 Remington. Hope this may help.
    That is interesting as it would make finding cheap brass possable for a rebated 444 marlin build.although it would have to be straightend out.

    tromix has already built a 444 marlin on a 410 sagia all ready. the chamber pressures between the 45-70 and 444Marlin are very simular when loaded with smokeless powderThe 444 is loaded to around44.000 CUP. I under stand that he actually is taking orders for them. Even though the 410 does not make that kind of pressure dosent mean the gun (IE BOLT AND TRUNION) wont handel it. the trunion is pretty much the same. I dont think a 45-70 will fit in a sagia Mag as it is the round is aproximently .100 larger in diamiter.(I could be wrong).

    What is the current cost of a psl kit?? trying to figure what the total build cost would be.
    A 45-70 would certanly be impressive aswell as severl others that are simular .458x2, 450 Marlin(basicaly a 45-70 but designed to handel hotter loads and not chamber in the weaker 45-70,s),450 Alaskan there is also a 45-60 that is starting to make a come back. that may be even better on a AK platform case is 1.89 long

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    hcpookie, those L1A1 mags are $30 EA when you buy 2 or more, not 2 FOR 30...

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    (SLAPS FOREHEAD) I should have read that more closely! $30 each just stinks. However if I could get that to work with my SVU clone.... HRM....


    Here's what I decided today - I am going to use a PSL bolt and whatever trunion I can find. Presumably a Yugo trunion, because I don't think there are any PSL trunions available. Those two parts together will be about $160 or so. That $80 barrel from MidwayUSA looks promising, unless there are cheaper ones to be had. I can't find any of the T/C barrels for less than $250. So the way I see it:

    Bolt & carrier - $150
    Barrel - $80
    Trunion - $25 ???
    Coldsteel 1.6mm blank $40

    I think I have enough parts in my pile to handle the rest. And I'll machine the piston and the gas tube. If I build the muzzle brake, that will cover all of the parts except the furniture.

    For the furniture, I'm thinking I'd like to put a PSL-style skeleton stock on it, but I'm not sure. I'll have to think about that some more. Maybe I'll make the buttstock and handguards too I need to look at some of the AK variants to see how I want to fix it up.

    My estimate is starting around $300-400 for the entire build. Assuming I use the pile G3 mags like I did with the SVU.


    ETA - didn't think about it until just now... Numrich has 45-70 replacement Marlin barrels for $46. They have dovetails on them, and appear to screw into the breech. Does anyone know if they fully support the base of the cartridge? Or do they have a shimmed arrangement? It looks like there's a little spar or something on the chamber side, which is why I ask.
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    Centerfire was advertising yugo bulged trunnions in the latest flyer, IIIRC they were $30


    Whats the link to the $80 bbl? I just went to midway searching...

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    Under this heading:

    Homepage > Gun Parts > Universal Gun Parts > Barrel Blanks > Centerfire & Rimfire > 458 Caliber >

    http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...377&t=11082005

    Also, if you search for "45-70 barrel" you will get it listed.


    A .458 BLANK barrel is the same price, for your little 45 Win Mag project:

    http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...429&t=11082005

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    Thanks.

    but (>>>>turning blue in the face<<<<) the 45 win mag is not .458" its .451" same as 45-70 same as 45 acp...

    I wish I had seen that before I bought my thompson bbl....

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    the spar thing is the cut for the extractor to fit into the barrel.

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    HRM I didn't realize the extractor fit INTO the barrel on that one. Perhaps that $80 job from Midway would be better?

    Here's my thinking - look at the 7.62x54R breech. The bolt grabs the rim. The barrel supports the case all the way up to the base (and obviously this is how headpace is set).

    It sounds like that Marlin barrel would not support the chamber wall with an AK extractor. It sounds more like a shotgun action.

    I'll have to look more closely at that exploded view of the Marlin... I'd hate to buy a barrel that doesn't work.
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    After looking at my dad's Marlin barrel setup, I think it will be less hassle to use the $80 blank. No sleeving required and no grooves to fill in.

    I picked up a box of ammo yesterday. The G3 magazine won't work due to the follower tipping too much. Ditto for the FAL magazine. A new follower will be necessary for either magazine to work. And only steel - the alloy G3 mags bulged WAY too much when I loaded it! With the spring fully compressed, I could only get 9 rounds, and that was pushing it. 10 rounds and the spring is too tight to let them feed.

    I need a magazine more like a Siaga .410, CETME, or SVD/PSL magazine than a straight-boxed G3. The rim needs the curve, but not as much as an AK curve. I curved magazine may work without any special follower, however I'm thinking an SVD/PSL style follower that has the raised side all the way front-to-back will be a necessity.
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    Since the .444 is a .30-06 based cartridge would BAR mags be worth a try? How does the OAL of the .444 compare to the .30-06?

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