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    Okay, there are now gas operated AR's (be they DI or piston-powered). Several enterprising gents have built pistol caliber AK's. How about a .45acp or 7.62 TOK AK whose bolt locks up (edit: found a TOK conversion AMD Build in7.62x25 ) ? Such a beast could use standard receivers and carriers, with modified bolts and such (i.e. easier for those of us who are more-or-less technically challenged).

    I'll take mine in pistol form, please.

    In a related vein... would Rhino_66's M11 magwell be legal in a pistol version (I have one in my parts box)? It is not a vertical foregrip, nor does it utilize a detachable magazine installed outside the pistol grip (ATF-speak).


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    All ak pistols have a detachable mag that is out side the pistol grip . some states dont allow this. california for one. not sure I follow you question??

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    nice gun either way... but i like the bottom one better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1biggun
    All ak pistols have a detachable mag that is out side the pistol grip . some states dont allow this. california for one. not sure I follow you question??
    The M-11 mag housing WAS a pistol grip when attached to the Mac. Is it considered a PG or vertical foregrip when used in Rhino's configuration?

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    I understand now. very good question. since it can only be described as a GRIP since that is what it started life out as and it is forward of the rear pistol grip and is vertical I am thinking that the ATF might have a problem with it. I am thinking a letter to the atf would be the best bet. I am guessing illeagle. On the other hand what makes it differant than the mag well on a AR pistol other than it is longer HMMM

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    Just get rid of the AK grip and make a "bullpup" pistol out of it, ala' the Bushmaster Arm Pistol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kernelkrink
    Just get rid of the AK grip and make a "bullpup" pistol out of it, ala' the Bushmaster Arm Pistol.
    I had considered of that. I'd like to have it as "stock" as possible... (that's funny. "Stock" on a pistol caliber AK!?).

    The rear "ergo" portion of the magwell is removeable. Then, it's just a magwell. I may have to write the alphabet gang for permission.

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    that mag is clearly outside the pistol grip of the rifle. There is probably just enough space under an ak trunion to add a forward trigger. link that to the standard trigger and you've got an uzi style ak pistol; however its ballance is probably strange at best.

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    Why does your pistol caliber AK have to be gas operated? the blowback versions seem to work really well, members here and other boards have worked out the kinks pretty darn well. A gas operated pistol caliber AK needs to have the carrier weight drasticaly reduced- you need to tap the gas from the barrel very close to the chamber because of how weak most pistol cals are, and tighten up the gas tube diameter to get the most out of that little cartridge. Then once it does get working it is picky about loads and much less reliable than good ol' blowback. Think of the smallest cal. gas operated rifle: the two that come to mind are the M1 carbine and the israeli Magal. the Magal was a big flop, the m1 carbine works fine but any smaller than a .30 carbine and you are better off w/ blowback operation.

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    for 7.62 x 25 you need to open the gas port to .170", cut about 25% off the recoil spring, then stretch it to the full length. then trim the hammer face to minimize it dragging on the bolt carrier. the ejector needs to be about centered over the mag. it will work.
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