The AK Files Forums - Draganov Recall - Anyone seen this?
and a bulliton straight from the AT on the saiga.
Saiga Rifle Bulletin.
not exactly the same as what you have but you get the Idea.
At one point the ATF said you could weld the barrel shut, weld the carrier and bolt shut and it would no longer be a machine gun. IIRC this was a method to DEWAT. (Deactivate War Trophies.) But there was attendant parperwork to keep with the weapon. (IIRC)
Anything with a third hole in an AK w/o paperwork the atf has said over and over is a machine gun. Weld them shut, its still a machine gun. use JB weld still a machine gun. The atf has stated once a machine gun always a machine gun. It sucks but they make the rules. If teh local agent says youre ok GET IT IN WRITING FROM THAT AGENT WITH ALL HIS INFO ON IT. Personally I'd torch cut that gun NOW and photograph it! Then reweld it.
Called the local ATF office in Little Rock. A nice young lady there said they didn't have anyone in the office who could help me, but she gave me the number of one of the regional Field Investigators, Mr. Lester Tigge.
I called him and described the rifle and what I wanted to do. He was also quite nice, but said my questions were outside his area of expertise, and referred me to the main ATF office,
I called the National Firearms Act Branch in Martinsburg, West Virginia, and spoke to another nice young lady who directed me to the voicemail of a "specialist" named John Roberts. I left a brief account in his mailbox along with my name and phone number. It's after 5 their time now, so I didn't get a callback today.
So far, about what I expected. Last time I dealt with the ATF they only had a few firearms experts and their time was booked weeks in advance.
I hear that some lettters take over a year to get answered. so basicaly you made four phone calls to the agencys who should be able to help you and your wating for a call back.
you already have the barrel coming you might as well plan on doing some thing with it even if you current situation dosent pan out. I think a virgine trunion with no pin hole taped out would be a good way to go or even a yugo trunon with the barrel pin hole there. other trunions like the rommy have to much metal removed in the area were threads normaly woud go on a threaded trunion instead. Yhe guy who did the 500 S&W used a stamped trunion and threaded it. Ill see If I can find some links for you as well as the gas block stuff.
>I hear that some lettters take over a year to get answered.
> so basicaly you made four phone calls to the agencys who
> should be able to help you and your wating for a call back.
Yes. I'll give the guy a couple of days to get back to me; if the call gets lost in the shuffle, I'll try someone else. Given
the workload of the ATF firearms specialists (well, last time I dealt with one) he might be out of town for a while.
Dealing with any government pgency takes time, patience, the proper attitude, and an occasional prod to make sure things don't get stalled. Fortunately, I've done this sort of thing before.
> you already have the barrel coming you might as well plan
> on doing some thing with it even if you current situation ?
> dosent pan out. I think a virgine trunion with no pin hole
> taped out would be a good way to go or even a yugo
> trunon with the barrel pin hole there.
I have a Yugo flat on hand and a used Yugo trunnion on the way. Once I get a good look at everything I'll decide whether to ignore the barrel pin hole or plug it before tapping the trunnion.
> other trunions like the rommy have to much metal
> removed in the area were threads normaly woud go on a
> threaded trunion instead.
I looked at my Romanian trunnion for a long time, trying to figure out what all the bevel cuts were for. Originally I thought it was to lighten the part, but now I think they were intended to eliminate the thicker cross-sections to help keep the heat treat even.
Im not sure why they remove so much metal on some trunions and not others. threading a Yugo would be the easyiest likley If it threads ok I would just ignore the pin hole.
be warned that there is very little meat were the lower rivet passes through the trunion and the barrel hole. I have seen several were the hole actually can be seen in the barrel bore. You will likely hit the rivet hole when threading.
you can get lower AMD hand guards pretty cheap. a rail set up might be cool as well. there are lots of fore grip choices. getting that big barrel through them might be a issue however.
The Valmet appears to use a completely different mounting arrangement. I looked at a couple of the manuals and posted some observations here: http://www.gunco.net/forums/f3/valmet-musings-48058/
Threading the barrel for a retainer nut would be possible, though there might be a better way... if I can think of one.
I found a place that will cut me a proper chambering reamer for $150. Was double-checking my case dimensions while making the order sheet. And... found a reloading site (brleather.com) that has what is supposed to be an Alexander Arms drawing from 2001, showing a .004" larger base and .005" smaller mouth than the figures I get everywhere else.
There's a chance that drawing is for a prototype with more taper, but...
My die set is here, but Impact Guns backordered my brass. *#&^^! I'm not sure that measuring the sizing die will be worthwhile. Cartridge brass is springy, and the die size might be smaller than the resized case.
I think I'll mail the order in anyway, and tell them to hold until I get back to them with the verified dimensions. At least I'll be in the queue...