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    The best penetration with slugs was only around 7 inches when 12.5 inches of penetration is recommended against two legged animals.
    that is with a slug. this would use a regualr rifle bullet and be loaded hotter than a 41 or 44 magnum. it will be simular to a 444 marlin in power. the beautuy of a Saiga is it will handel a lot more pressure than a normal .410 shell. a 444 marlin will stop anything that walks in north america.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1biggun View Post
    that is with a slug. this would use a regualr rifle bullet and be loaded hotter than a 41 or 44 magnum. it will be simular to a 444 marlin in power. the beautuy of a Saiga is it will handel a lot more pressure than a normal .410 shell. a 444 marlin will stop anything that walks in north america.
    That would indeed be something neat, the penetration and range would be great. 5 rnd clips for hunting when allowed, and I can see the benefits from a tactical stand point of having a heavy slug like that. Some time ago I bought a .308 saiga to convert to 8mm, but now with the rise in price of the things, I'm going to sell it. Never have fired the thing. I was going to get a 12ga saiga, but the .410 project you mentions sounds great. Only thing I'm sure of it I want to sell my .308.

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    Id keep the 308 and rebarrel it to a 358 Winchester if you wanta heavy round with some knock down power . 358 is just a opend up 308 using around a 250 GR bullet. im not sure the mag will work as is however. the 30 is pretty versital it can handel from 100 grain to around 220Gr bullets.

    I wouldnt sell it id make it suit my needs. the 308 will do every thing a 8mm would have done for the most part with up to a 180 grain bullet.

    as far as having enough knock down power the 308 is more than enough gun for most any tatical situation. I dont dont plan on being in a tatical situation but if I do a 308 would be more than enough gun.

    Im conveting mine (308) to either a 22-250 with a fast twist barrel or a 260 remington for long range varmit shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1biggun View Post
    YIKES I WONDER IF A SHOT CUP OF SOME SORT WOULD HELP
    The shot cup spins and you get the same big empty ring of shot. The guns that are set up to shoot 410/45lc use a screw in choke set up that (kind of) fixes this. The H&R that I had used a choke with straight, tapered 'rifling' in it when you shoot shot. You take it out to shoot the 45lc. I got rid of mine. It would shoot 410 and 45lc. Shot both half assed and niether well. That was what I meant in my first post, absolutely NOT talking about 45lc through a Saiga 410 barrel. Just to clarify.

    I have heard of guys loading shot into 45-70, or loading two (might have been more) .457 round balls into a case and sending them down range. By and large, this is just guys playing around with the versatility and forgiving parameters of the 45-70. It's a favorite round for guys who like to play around with 'unorthodox' loads. Lots of capacity, no anoying neck dimensions. Just stuff it full of powder and lead and go BANG. I haven't ever heard of any shot or multiple ball loads being really practical. Fun, yes.

    I think the .410 wildcat in question would be a good one. Likely to actually function with factory mags and loadable without custom dies and chamber reamers and all that other stuff associated with wildcatting.

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    Midway sells new .410 brass cases. I thought about experimenting with them. Too bad someone doesn't sell rifled lead slugs for .410 (just the slug to load in the brass case). Might be a fun project.

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    Midway sells new .410 brass cases. I thought about experimenting with them. Too bad someone doesn't sell rifled lead slugs for .410 (just the slug to load in the brass case). Might be a fun project.
    I have never understood why rifled slugs were not avaliable either. while not legal for deer in my state (WI) but in other states they are legal. a brass cased hotly loaded 410 Sagia with accurte slugs would be a good combo. the rounds could easly be loaded to 444 marlin speeds and weigths in a Sagia.

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    Just thinking out loud here. But first, rifled slugs have never been shown to spin enough to stabilize the load. That's why there are the front-heavy slugs, they tend to shoot straight where the air and gas whizzing through the spirals on a rifled slug do little to spin the slug.

    But to the point, rifled slugs in .410 carve away what precious little weight a .410 slug has to begin with. With a 12 or even a 20 guage slug, the rifle grooves remove a much smaller percentage of the weight of a solid slug, with the .410 the grooves begin to really eat into lead weight percentage.
    I have a daughter. I tell her, "911 is what you dial after you're raped. 1911 is what you should have before they try."

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    Interchangeable screw in choke tubes are available with rifling. Dunno of any in .410 but they are common in 12 and 20. A custom made proposition, but you could make one for .410.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kernelkrink View Post
    Interchangeable screw in choke tubes are available with rifling. Dunno of any in .410 but they are common in 12 and 20. A custom made proposition, but you could make one for .410.
    The paradox "rifled" chokes are also made and available for the .410 in two different lengths I believe.

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    Cool, off the shelf solution. Might have to have the bbl threaded to match but that is a common gunsmith task.

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