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    I had to hear this ammo I bought go bang so I made this rifled adapter and presto my 45-70 NEF Handi rifle is now a is now a 7.62x25. the stuff is noiser than I thought. I made the addapter from what was left of a barrel I made yesterday. I dont expect much in accuracy the guy that makes these for other guns deserves evey penny he charges It took me longer to make one of these than it does to do a barrel. It fit the gun and ejects good and I extract the spent round with a pencil its 3" long.

    Now what is the best way to clean corrosive powder out of the barrel?????? seriously I need to clean it i should have thought of that before. I dont even have a 45 cal brush.
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    a addapter for a shot gun would be better and a longer addapter would be better.

    what is the bolt thrust of 7.62x24 vs 410, 20, 12 guage shot gun????? It would be much easier to make as well. no taper and now step

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    I've been working on a pair of 9mm adaptors for 12 ga just for giggles and I agree that it takes quite a bit of time. I just need to chamber mine when I get time. I use hot soapy water to clean my hawkins and 1858 remington, followed by a half hour at 200 degrees in the oven to make sure they're completely dry. Others have had good luck cleaning their guns with windex with either vinegar or ammonia I can't remember which. I'm sure SJ could tell you.

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    Nice!

    A good scrubbing will clean it. Hoppe's #9 is purportedly a good solvent for corrosive powder. Also, you can use ammonia (windex) to neutralize it.
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    Slick adapter there!

    One thing to watch with the shotguns is how big the firing pin hole is. Some can let a primer blow out.

    If you ever want to let go of that 45-70 barrel, let me know.
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    Hello 1biggun,
    If you look at the loadings of these two cartridges, the .410 guage vs the 7.62x25mm Tokarev you notice some interesting things.

    From Barnes, Cartridges of The World I notice that the 7.62x25 mm Mauser/Tokarev has been loaded with 86 to 100 grain bullets driven by 5.2 to 4.7 grains of Bullseye.

    The .410 shotgun slug round has been loaded 85 to 90 grain slug driven by up to 14.6 grains of 2400 powder or 16 grains of 4227 powder. Shotshell powders are very similar to pistol powders.

    The camparison seems to show a several times greater load for the .410 ammo. Thus a 7.62x25mm barelled .410 action seems reasonable. So does using an adapter to the Tokarev/Mauser round in a .410 shotgun.

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    I plan on making a barrel for this gun in x25 down the road by boring out a rifle barrel or installing a rifle barrel in a cut off shot gun barrel perminatly. hmmm better think about the legalitys of cutting the Shot gun barrel. it migth be illegal for the short time its just a stub. a good fitting insert that is long would work pretty well I suspect. the same company that makes all the addapters makes barrel inserts for shot guns.

    I may just make a longer barrel insert for the 45-70. I dont like the idea of the steel to steel touching inside the barrel perhaps orings or some other insulater. Im not sure a can turn a long insert on my lathe with out bending it or excesive flexing with out some kind of follow support that I dont have. its pretty thin were it goes down the barrel in a 45-70. in a shot gun bigger than a .410 it would be easy. a 20 guage wold be a ideal canidate as a light tace off barrel would work and then there would be room for a ejector . I need a 20 GA barrel for a handi rifle. a 16" barreld x25 would be a great gun for my kid to shoot cheaply and would be a good take down/ trunk gun/ survival rifle.

    those Rossi,s are pretty cheap hmmmmmmm

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    1biggun,

    I do a lot of black power shooting and plain old very hot soapy water should do a better job than just about anything else for cleaning the corrosive salts out of that barrel. It has worked on my Hawkin and inline for many years. I follow with a few dry patches then use a little borebutter on the last patch.

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    The camparison seems to show a several times greater load for the .410 ammo. Thus a 7.62x25mm barelled .410 action seems reasonable. So does using an adapter to the Tokarev/Mauser round in a .410 shotgun
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    a insert barrel wold be really thin not sure it could be done. it might not handel the pressure. a 3" rifled addapter that dont go into the bore would be doable.

    Slick adapter there!

    One thing to watch with the shotguns is how big the firing pin hole is. Some can let a primer blow out.

    If you ever want to let go of that 45-70 barrel, let me know.
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    Its the only barrel I got for it right now, I wish I had known I could have gotten a identical gun a month ago for $150 I passsed due to not having extra cash. Ill likely just add a shot gun barel to my rifle reciver the factory offers that option but dont let you make rifles into shot guns. maybe Ill get a 500 s&W barrel and make a long barrel insert for it. if some one would sell a single shot in x25 they would sell like crazy. rossi or H&R are missing out. reminton has a cheap single shot now I think also. I can make addapter for a 308 but I dont want the excessive free bore. I wish H&R would just make a barrel for what I have.

    I may sell this sell this adapter and make a longer one

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    yea I need to get some large bore mops and brushes ect. this ammo is really dirty tons of crud in the barrel. its rommy ammo susposedly the case is stampes 22 ans 85 on it the box says cartuse pentru ?????? Ill wash er out with some soapy atter windex and then oil it. i just ran a 410 brush and mob down the 45-70 bore with water and soap windex blew it dry with compressed water seperted air and remoiled it. the addapter I just used my normal stuff. mission acomplished. I hadent planed on cleaning gun today LOL. how anti corrsion resistant is stainless stell on this ammo?????? perhaps a stainless barrel would be the cats ass.

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