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    Yeah like 1biggun said the 6.5 barrel blank I got at Midway shoots like a dream. I'll give alot of credit to 1biggun though, he did an awesome job turning it down and chambering it. I forget which contour I ordered, but it was an Adams and Bennett blank. I'll tell ya, it was well worth the 80 bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1biggun View Post
    If you could get them to inlet it for a AK reciver or just leave it un cut thensome really cool sporting AKs could be built.
    I emailed them about it a couple of days ago, no reply yet. I'd give it a better than 50/50 chance - at 1.3" wide, the AK receiver is narrower than some of the big magnum bolt actions, some of which are about as long and quite square on the bottom.

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    Default Hadar is here!

    The stock showed up today. I was expecting "used stock". This thing is close enough to perfect, if it was on a gun I was buying brand new, I wouldn't feel I could justifiably complain. No dirt, no oil, the screws and hardware all look brand new. There are a couple of marks in the wood near the ejection port area which might be where some brass touched the wood when it was fired. Like I could complain...

    It's very straight grained wood, not particularly heavy, apparently stained a walnut color since the inside wood is substantially lighter in color. The pistol grip and stock top are asymmetrically formed to favor a right-handed shooter, of course.

    The inlet is for the slant cut Galil receiver. There's a cutout for the grip screw nut, which is used with a standard-looking grip screw. There's a second, much larger screw coming straight through the back into the back of the rear of the receiver. I'll need to use a pistol-type trunnion, reach through with something to mark the spot, and then drill and tap.

    The back of the inlet area is squared. I was hoping for that; it's a lot simpler than trying to match the semi-conical back of a milled Galil. I'll measure the angle and make sure the new receiver matches it.

    There's a hole in the bottom of the stock near the front of the receiver. There was either a tapped hole in the receiver or one in a barrel band; the screw held the front of the receiver down in the stock.

    There's a strip of what looks like hot-melt glue under the front of the receiver, and a bigger chunk at the very back, filling in the area where the Galil's rounded rear doesn't contact the square hole. I'm guessing this was to help steady the receiver so the screws weren't the only thing keeping the parts from moving around.

    The barrel channel is large, and it appears the barrel was fully floated - there's no sign anything ever touched the channel, anyway.

    I'll put some pictures up in a day or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1biggun View Post
    I have a wood sagia 308 stock and a 12 guage wood fore grip to play with
    Feh. I guess I'm really behind the curve on Saigas, I didn't realize any came with wood. All the ones I can recall pictures of were plastic.

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    There are some. the foregrip came from Chipmechanic and the stock i found on ebay of all places. the fore grip is fore a 12 guage and i dont think any guns came in that way but there is a place selling the stock sets.

    this will give me a large barrel to fit a large barrel in Ill flute it to get the weight down. i may take this to California on my next trip out to see my parents and do some hunting. Im going to use the trigger set up that uses the extra hole instead of the total crap trigger on the 308.

    id like one of those hadar stocks to play with.

    there are some deals on the stock sight in the close out and blem sections. I might try one and have it not inleted and cut it my self for a AK. I will want a push button saftey. im ordering a stock from them for a mosin and see how they are.

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    Here are some lousy pictures. They're still detailed enough to see a lot if you click for the bigger image, though.

    The inletting is close; there are milled channels for the axis pins to drop down, and a groove around the left side for clearance for the bottom of the top cover. The right side it cut away for clearance for the, uh, I guess it's not a safety on a Galil. Slot for the Galil safety to drop through.

    Note the bridge at the end of the barrel channel. Probably reinforces the end of the stock. You can see the edge of a piece of metal; that's a T-plate that looks a lot like a grip nut, put there to hold a front sling swivel.

    It doesn't show up well in the pictures, but the grip and stock are offset and sculptured for right handed shooters. It's amazingly comfortable to hold, unlike the Chinese thumbhole stocks I've held.

    The bottom is opened up for the AK trigger group and magazine.
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    The rest of the pictures. I wish I could lay my hands on three or four more of these things...

    If you build your own, it looks like you can do almost all the receiver inletting with an 1/2" end mill in a mini-mill.
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    I had planned on building a receiver from scratch - bend the bottom, cut two Vs, bend, weld, bend the top rails, trim.

    Digging through my AK pictures this morning, I found the pictures below. This way looks easier, plus since the bottom of the receiver is largely broken by the magwell, almost no load would go across the welds, which would be about half again as long as cutting the sides.

    [searching] Looks like coldsteelsolutions.com has .064 non-bulged 80% receivers on sale for $36. Top rails already bent. I guess I needed to order some metric reamers anyway. Not having to make a fixture to bend the top rail will speed things up.

    "I love it when a plan comes together."


    [note] the reason I want a 1.6mm receiver is that's the same thickness as the milled receiver the Hadar originally used. Since the Hadar stock has a front mount, I thought a 1mm receiver might flex enough to crack the stock on firing. Flex doesn't matter on a normal AK since there's no conventional stock.
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    I didn't take any measurements when I had a 308 Galil but I think the 308 Valmet and 308 Yugo AK have the magazine cut forward and the rear sits in the normal AK position. I think the 308 Galil might have the trigger guard or at least the magazine moved back. I don't know if the axis pins holes are in the same positions but that might explain why the select fire 308 Galil doesn't have the normal AK auto sear. The magazine is moved back where it would be.

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    as I recall the 308 Galil has the magwell moved back and the trigger guatd scrunched up but the FGC is in a standard location.

    i wouldnt worry anout the reciver thickness a .045 will be fine. a lug added to the front of it and inleted into the stock would not hurt however to take the stain off the stock

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