I see all these SMG kit cheap right now, Sten, Suomi, Bereta, ect, ect. So which ones are easlly converted? Does anyone make SA kits for any of these? I know one place for SA Sten kit, but allways out of stock. Any advise on how to do this?
That's why the storm troopers used them as laser guns long long ago in a galaxy far far awayRed Jacket Firearms said:I don't think anyone could go wrong with a Sterling ,to me they are the RollsRoyce of subguns . We've got a fullauto I built for a rental gun 3 or 4 years ago . It probably eats 1000 rds a month and it's NEVER had a hicup .
why would it not be legal? What receiver will you put it in? Can't use a full auto Sterling receiver... and thats what the parts are designed for... nor can you use one where full auto parts could easily be introduced. Secondly you can not exceed the foreign parts count. Third that bolt alone would be considered illegal in a semiauto because of the ammunition feed lips which protrude forward of the cartridge seat... and we're not even looking at how easily it would be to alter the function of those parts... AS IS ILLEGAL AS CAN BE!jpglee1 said:Im not sure why DON VITO said that my suggestion would only work for non US people??? The Sterling MK6 semi auto kit I listed
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IS CLOSED BOLT people...look closer. It has a firing pin/striker that is INSIDE the bolt assembly. This is just like on a Glock pistol, the firing pin floats in the slide but has its own spring. When the bolt is blown back, instead of it being held back by the sear (open bolt) the bolt continues back forward as the striker is held back by the sear (closed bolt) When the bolt gets all the way forward you have the striker fully compressed inside the bolt itself. When you drop the sear/pull trigger the striker is released and it runs forward, ignites the next round and the process repeats. The bolt is ALWAYS closed upon firing....
The sterling MK6 FCG is also SEMI AUTO ONLY. It has NO provision for a sear trip for full auto. Accordingly it would be perfect for using w/a STEN to make a semi conversion. I proposed to hide the sterling FCG inside a STEN MK2/3 FCG housing (or sheetmetal cut to the same shape) and use a pull rod from the sterling trigger to the STEN trigger to keep the aesthetics as close to original as is practical. The only deviation would be the rotating safety. You could remove it and retain the original sten selector as a safety instead to block the STEN master trigger (since the original STEN sear/etc would be gone...)
You also gotta remember that the Sterling MK6 carbine was legally sold here until the 94 AWB. It is again legal. You could buy a $200 IMA sterling kit and the above bolt/FCG and buil a semi-auto Sterling for a reasonable price (much nicer carbine than a STEN, and can use STEN or Sterling magazines). OR use the parts in a STEN, as I suggested.... Good luck and stay safe
Before we get into a pissing match here, let's evaluate exactly what makes it "illegal as can be"... upon what basis are you making that statement? In other words, is there an ATF ruling letter that states this? See I'm not too familiar with this design so I need to have it spelled out...donvito said::headspin: why would it not be legal? What receiver will you put it in? Can't use a full auto Sterling receiver... and thats what the parts are designed for... nor can you use one where full auto parts could easily be introduced. Secondly you can not exceed the foreign parts count. Third that bolt alone would be considered illegal in a semiauto because of the ammunition feed lips which protrude forward of the cartridge seat... and we're not even looking at how easily it would be to alter the function of those parts... AS IS ILLEGAL AS CAN BE!
OK I know the 10 part thingy. And I can (and have) read the ATF info. Thanks for the advice.donvito said:Just for the reasons I posted to start with. If you want to see it from the ATF go research their website for a few days. All of the answers are there.
You can not build a Sterling or Sten semiauto from all imported parts. You have a 10 part rule. So out of the receiver, trunions, barrel, bolt, hammer, trigger, sear, disconnector cocking handle, stock, mag body, floorplate, follower, and some items I probably left out you can only use 10... the rest need to be US made or you have assembled a firearm that otherwise is forbidden from importation and have broken the law.
Second, those Sterling parts are designed to fit into a full auto Sterling receiver. Even if the parts only allow for semiauto operation the gun itself would still be a machinegun.
Third the bolt incorporates forward protruding ammunition feed lips which by itself would preclude it from being used in a US legal semiauto.
Actually, I think you CAN drop a full auto bolt in an M11/Nine and have a "spitfire", if you drop the bolt on a full mag it empties it. I do know that the semi auto bolt has the "pusher lips" on the bolt just like the FA one does, in fact other than missing the notches on the bottom to engage the sear a semi bolt appears to be identical to the FA one. You could probably even jam the semi firing pin in the forward position and make it do the same thing. Yet they made IMI add a blocking bar and remove feedlips. No one has ever accused ATF of being consistent!jpglee1 said:As he said its simple matter to drop a FA bolt into an UZI or a Tec-9 (not a mac, striker fired vs hammer)or any other striker fired gun just by making some super simple mods...
Still haven't seen a BSA3... have any of you?donvito said:don't hold your breath waiting for the BSA3 cause it ain't happening
Well SMARTY I had a meeting with a Tech Branch agent just the other day on another subject and ran your feedlips by him. He said "NO WAY". Confirms what I thought, you don't know as much as you think you do.jpglee1 said:SECOND... Smarty, the bolt can HAVE push lips on it..its CLOSED. Its NOT an open bolt setup with a semi auto trigger pack. By your logic every AK and AR-15 are illegal along with countless other semi-autos with PUSH LIPS on the CLOSED boltface... Its only an issue with a fixed protruding firing pin. With a floating FP the round will hang up anyway, precluding FA firing...