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    Quote Originally Posted by MUSIBIKE View Post
    We are under the very watchful eyes of the Russian Airforce. They have reinstituted the Bomber patrols about our country. Russian subs have already been patrolling our perimeter for a while. The Arabs and or someone has funded the Russians back into weapons production and military activity.

    NATO has been following the Russian Bombers around watching what they are up to. Like the movie Dr. Staingelove, we appear to be back into an almost cold war mode again. Keeping all of that Russian Hardware air born 24/7 is costing them some fuel and mechanical expense.

    I just hope there is not a General RIPPER somewhere in Russia that orders PLAN-R to begin an attack upon the US!
    Keep yer eye on the Chinese. I don't think that the Russians are quite what they used to be.
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    The Chinese will have their hands quite full over in the Middle East soon.
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    You wouldn't have to conquer America. Any reasonably-sized country (or alliance of small ones) could divert part of their military budget and just *buy* the United States.

    The last few decades, from ABSCAM forward, has shown the entire US government is for sale to the highest bidder. Just send your represtentatives to DC with briefcases full of cash, buy better trade agreements for your country, adjust the dollar ratio to something more favorable, obtain favorable loan rates, outright monetary grants, action against your enemies, etc.

    Basically, what Communist China has done. China is now an integral part of the US economy, and they're on the tugging end of the chain. If they *really* wanted the USA to dance to their tune, our only alternatives are to comply or face economic collapse.

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    Mr TRX,

    Sorry I assumed you are a guy, if you are Miss TRX, my profuse apologies.

    You are so correct. I am a US guy that worked in China for years. They buy up our debt, as they have an excess of US bucks. They also keep the RMB (china currency) devalued far below what it should be for export /trade reasons. The US trys to get them to valuate upward but its all for naught.

    When you hold the mortgage on the US, you can basicly dictate terms. I dont like it one bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthTexasGuy View Post
    I dont like it one bit.
    I don't like it one bit either.

    I find it interesting that the "Communists" appear to have a better understanding of capitalism and the American economy than countless "experts" who operate and advise American businesses and the Fed. If we survive long enough for another generation of MBAs, we ought to be sending them to China instead of Harvard and Yale.

    Meanwhile, if you've followed any of the stories of Chinese espionage, we're practically giving their spy apparatus everything they want on a silver platter.

    If I was a Chinese, I'd be fiercely proud of my government for being so efficient and effective at doing its job. It is making China a better place every day, and improving the lives of its individual citizens. "One Nation, Two Systems" giving the Party the control of Communism, backed by the power of capitalism. Unemployment rates going down, income going up, an active space program, two dozen new nuclear reactors under construction, building canals, levees, bridges, a national highway system, colleges turning out engineers and mathematicians by the tens of thousands... and even better, it's making a bunch of stupid foreigners pay for much of it!

    As an American, I'm somewhat less proud of my own government, which seems to be less efficient and less effective than the Chicoms, while rapidly becoming just as leftist and autocratic.

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    Any of our ends will come along when it does?

    Live life, not for the END!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRX View Post
    I don't like it one bit either.

    I find it interesting that the "Communists" appear to have a better understanding of capitalism and the American economy than countless "experts" who operate and advise American businesses and the Fed. If we survive long enough for another generation of MBAs, we ought to be sending them to China instead of Harvard and Yale.

    Meanwhile, if you've followed any of the stories of Chinese espionage, we're practically giving their spy apparatus everything they want on a silver platter.

    If I was a Chinese, I'd be fiercely proud of my government for being so efficient and effective at doing its job. It is making China a better place every day, and improving the lives of its individual citizens. "One Nation, Two Systems" giving the Party the control of Communism, backed by the power of capitalism. Unemployment rates going down, income going up, an active space program, two dozen new nuclear reactors under construction, building canals, levees, bridges, a national highway system, colleges turning out engineers and mathematicians by the tens of thousands... and even better, it's making a bunch of stupid foreigners pay for much of it!

    As an American, I'm somewhat less proud of my own government, which seems to be less efficient and less effective than the Chicoms, while rapidly becoming just as leftist and autocratic.
    Hi Mr TRX,

    That was a pretty astute observation on China. I lived there for years working on projects for US companys. However its not as rosy as it seems. Its not at all like those pix of Shanghai. Those highway projects collapse from substandard construction practices (darn bridge over the zhu Jiang river fell into the water while I was there, and I used to drive it frequently). An earthquake and all the schools collapse, because they were built with sub standard materials. Funny how the government buildings accross the street were fine. People getting sick from melamine in the milk, lead and cadmium in everything, tainted blood supplies at hospitals...geez it goes on and on. Pollution is rampant, the rivers looks like black smelly tar, and when in Shanghai I went up into that tower, the pearl or somesuch. You couldnt even see over the river the smog was so bad. Same in Guangzhou on most days.

    Worked in xinjiang, and from what I see between that, Tibet, Mongolia, and the mistreatment of citizens, seizing thier land for developers and relocating them with little or no payment, that country is ripe for a revolution. People over there are really cheesed off. I guess thats why they dont let people own guns in China.

    But you are correct, they figured out how to make us mortgage our future for thier benefit.

    And I agree, as Im not very proud of our govt either.

    One more thing. An intersting observation or two. China is a gunless society. No private ownership of arms. Even the freaking police dont generally carry guns. They keep em locked up at the station and when the SHTF, they need to ride back to the station, fill out a little form, grab the guns and show up almost after the party is over.

    Mao killed tens of millions by the most conservative of estimates. And even though he is on every denomination of Chinese currency over there, about half the people you talk too dont like him, because he killed thier families.

    However you cant find even ONE guy who has anything bad to say abourt Deng XiaoPing- the architect of the current Chinese economic system, that left us footing the bill.

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    I was cahnnel surfing the other night and stumbled across "After Armgeddon" on the History Channel. It was generally pretty good but I only caught the last half of the show.I found it on Youtube though. Here's the show in nine parts:

    After Armageddon - Mad Max World - It's The End Of The World As We Know It - New World Order - Natural Resources Investing - Message Board Yuku
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    Look to the slow decline to mediocraty that Britian has gone through. While the very end of the Roman Empire came quickly. There was a couple hundred years of decline before the end came. The decline for the US started in the 1970s so we are well on our way. Most Western nations are on the same path. Expect the end to come with a wimper.

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    There wasn't really a gradual decline. The end of the Age of Empires came about rapidly.

    Things looked pretty good for the empires through WWI. Britain spanned the world, France had extensive holdings in Indochina and some in Africa, and even Germany had African colonies. Russia had absorbed most of its adjacent neighbors, China was pretty much as ever, Portugal had holdings in the Far East and Africa, and Japan was gearing up to carve out an empire of its own.

    The Tsar's reign collapsed under the economic and social pressure of the Great War, and Alexander Kerensky and his Mensheviks took control of the countryin February 1917, only to be overthrown in October by Vladimir Ulyanov and his Bolsheviks.

    Ulyanov pushed an ideology based on the writings of Karl Marx, modified by his decades as a rabble-rouser and socialist in Europe. Over in Italy, Benito Mussolini and his Fascists simply ignored King Victor Emmanuel and ran the country as they pleased. Out of the chaos of postwar Weimar Germany, various industrialists gave their political and monetary support to the National Socialist German Worker's Party and its inexplicably charismatic leader.

    The Age of Ideologies was born.


    To back up a bit, wars used to be much smaller affairs, held for simpler reasons. For example, Wilhelm I of Prussia and various Germanic allies declared war on France. There were a lot of little reasons that amounted to little more than convenient excuses; the real reason was money. France basically ransomed itself from the Germans for five billion francs.

    Wilhelm II inherited a more-or-less unified Germany, and looked around for something to help cement his armies and population into a more cohesive whole. Plus he could use some more of that French gold. His armies marched south in 1914.

    That was the start of the Great War, what we now call World War I. Fighting stopped with the Armistice in 1918. The various nations rearmed until 1939... but Russia, Italy, Spain, and Germany were no longer kingdoms or empires, they were ideologies run by dictators. Not quite a religion, not quite a government as things were considered back then, the ideologies spanned multiple nations and were aggressively proselyizing.

    Some historians consider the Great War to have run from 1914 to 1945, with "First" and "Second" merely to indicate which phase they're talking about. Having done a bunch of reading on the subject, I agree. You could make a strong argument that the Cold War was merely an extension of the Great War. You could justifiably lump the Age of Ideologies and the Great War together; the first starting in 1917, the second in 1914, and both ending with the dissolution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in 1991.

    Fascism is stone dead. Soviet-style Communism survives in North Korea. Cuba is a simple dictatorship nowadays, and the Chinese are well along in their morph from Communism to a simple power oligarchy.

    The dimunition of the British Empire, theoretically a victor in the Great War, is (greatly simplifying here) primarily due to socialism and the failure to integrate the Empire into a political whole. The old colonial government system worked well enough in a pre-industrial age, creaked along with bits falling off in the Iron Age, and simply fell apart in the technological boom after WWII. Plus, Britain was nearly bankrupt after WWII; only some *very* fancy footwork kept them afloat after the war... and the benefits of the Marshall Plan weren't extended to America's allies.

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