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    Default New Life for Old ALICE Packs.....

    Hello Fellow Worry Warts,

    I just happened to stumble across a great deal at Copes distributing, here is the link:

    Cope's Distributing

    Wow!

    But it does not end there; Once upon a long time ago, I was a real live Army Ranger.....During my time as a Ranger, we commonly did a lot of mods to our field gear to make it more better. My ALICE ended up getting the Siamese Mod......

    This Mod very simply entailed taking your standard Medium Alice bag, and Siamese(ing) a truncated Alice bag to the bottom of it to hold a Sleeping bag, Tarp, and other such stuff. We would trade a carton of smokes to someone in supply to get us a thrashed ALICE bag. $25.00 and a seamstress later, We had our super ALICE...I made 16 jumps with my super ALICE. No issues.

    But Wait! There's more!!!!!!

    For an additional $35.00, we can now get this very cool and updated Frame for our Super ALICE, here is the link:

    #1606 Pack Frame MOLLE - Down East Inc.

    Make sure you specify the ALICE COMPATIBLE Version. Now I know that they say that you should use their straps and Hip Belt.....But this is not really true. You can use the current MOLLE Shoulder Straps and Hip Belt with NO modifications, here are links to the lowest priced ones I have found:

    USGI Molle shoulder straps
    Molle molded waistbelt

    Just to add to the fun, I have always liked this as well, and it works with the Super ALICE:

    Load Bearing Vest

    A close second, but much better if you are getting in and out of a vehicle is here:
    7 Pocket Chest Rig

    I will get some pictures of the process posted soon. Currently, the bags are cut up and waiting for a sewing machine to get fixed. Leather Project killed it....

    By my figuring, this setup cost:

    $9.98 for two Medium ALICE Bags.
    $15.00 for MOLLE Shoulder Straps
    $10.00 for MOLLE Hip Belt
    $35.00 for New Polymer Frame

    And about two hours of deconstruction / reconstruction of the bags into the Super ALICE.

    Add $15.00 or $27.00 for the Tacti-cool Vest and you are just about done.

    I have done business with all of the above vendors, and they are all a real CLASS ACT.

    Gunny Surplus has really good prices on a lot of stuff as well. If you are in the Mid-West, he is at a lot of Gun Shows. That is his major biz....Still, a very good guy to work with.

    Copes is without a doubt the BEST vendor I have ever done business with. Give him as much of you dollars as possible. You will not regret it. I just wish Copes carried more Surplus stuff.

    Down East is OK. They do what they do, and are not terrible. They do not hold a candle to Gunny or Copes. But, they are the only game in town for the cool frame. And it is worth it.

    Look for some pics and additional dialogue in the near future.
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    Smile Wow..

    You brought back some memories with "Alice Pack" God what a good long standing design. Very comfortable, light and if packed correctly. Carried just about anything a person could need.
    I followed everything Ranger, until you got too the part about jumping out of the plane.
    If the engines are running. Why are you guys jumping why?
    Stay in the plane. It has too land sometime.
    "Man needs but two things to survive alone in the woods. A blow up female doll and his trusty old AK-47" - Thomas Jefferson 1781


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    Vertical Envelopment!

    It's funny when I look at that phrase now.

    When I was 18, it all made perfect sense to me. Now; not so much....

    I was one of those guys back in 1982 that jumped in "Galling Chicken" at Ft Irwin, Ca. I came in on a C-141 from McChord AFB in Wa. The real op name was Gallant Eagle 82. What a cluster fuck. Officially, 6 KIA and 150 WIA. In reality, I think it was more. That was 29 years ago, and my knees, back, and neck have not improved with age.... I watched guys getting dragged across the desert in their chutes being chased by jeeps.

    Here is a link with some pics taken by a LoadMaster on a different C-141. Pretty impressive. The only good thing that came out of this debacle was that the Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marines can now communicate directly with the Pilots and Ground Crews. They don't rely on Flares anymore. Anyway, I was dropped on DZ Gold, and ended up a bit west of DZ Silver. That was an interesting decent. I was elevating in altitude....The wind was one thing, the thermals were another. Aside from my stick, I have only heard one other guy (82nd AB) tell me about that phenom...

    Link:
    http://www.c141heaven.us/tall_tales/...op.html:fruit:
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    Post Wow Bellson..

    Nam buddy just passed. He was telling me about that. I do believe that is the incident he was speaking of.
    He was one of the jump masters. Career Army..
    If that is the incident you speak of. He said they had the wind wrong, a guy hung up in the door he did not know about, total fubar.
    Damn that is sad..
    He just died or I would have asked him.
    Third guy from the left.
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    So, I'm back from the land of Fruits and Nuts (San Francisco).

    Here are some action shots of the Alice Pack Redeux:

    I stuffed the bags with pillows and rags so that they would show up better....

    Shot one is just a plain Medium Alice Pack. This is what we start off with.

    Shot two is the bottom of the pack, the two tabs are what you would normally use to attach a sleeping bag to. This is the mating surface for the Sleep System Carrier.

    Shot three is a Medium Alice bag after the pouches and shoulder pad is removed. This becomes the Sleep System Carrier in the new pack.

    Shot four is the bottom of the hacked up Sleep System Carrier. This is the mating surface for the pack.

    Shot five is the "combined" Alice Pack and Sleep system Carrier. it will not be that long, and will retain a lot of adjustability.

    Shot Six is the new Down East Molle Frame for the Alice Pack.

    You will notice that after the Sleep System Carrier is cut down, the normal Alice Cinching Straps are retained, and the top flap (which was removed) has been re-attached. The Sleep System Carrier is mounted upside down. This ends up being the best method if you only have access to a "normal" sewing machine. There is still a lot of fabric that has to be managed while mating the two bags together. The photo of the new combined pack is not really complete, since we have not yet sewn them together.....Still waiting on parts for the old Viking Sewing machine. My wife does not want to use her shiny new $4000 machine for this project, since the new machine would lose timing during the process. I love technology.....The old Viking repair will cost $135 with labor. The readjustment of the new machine costs $265....

    Once the packs are in fact mated together, there will be enough room for a standard ECWCS Sleep System (the three bag setup), and a tarp. You may also notice that the original frame attachment straps on the bottom of the Sleep System Carrier are still there, this will allow that bag to be directly attached to the new frame as well.

    When you decide to start cutting up the donor bag for the Sleep System Carrier, just remember that it takes some time. About an hour and a half. I will post up some action shots of the demil process in the next post.

    I am retaining all of the removed pouches, bits and pieces. They may come in handy for later additions or maybe another project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4thIDvet View Post
    Nam buddy just passed. He was telling me about that. I do believe that is the incident he was speaking of.
    He was one of the jump masters. Career Army..
    If that is the incident you speak of. He said they had the wind wrong, a guy hung up in the door he did not know about, total fubar.
    Damn that is sad..
    He just died or I would have asked him.
    Third guy from the left.
    Hi 4th.

    Sorry to hear about your buddy....He's right...Total FUBAR. I was just a young pup Ranger back then..Nothing to fear. I will never forget that jump, each one since then has carried a little anxiety for me. I really don't jump anymore. I have kids, and I no longer take those chances as I once did.

    I will say a prayer for your bud. PM me with his name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4thIDvet View Post
    If the engines are running. Why are you guys jumping why?
    Stay in the plane. It has too land sometime.
    2 words 4th-lowest bidder!!!

    i remember hearing about gallant eagle from the black hats when i enlisted(85)
    they said it was the worst clusterf**k they were in!!!
    and the worse one i thought was reforger!
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    Keep the change-I just want my Country back!!!

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    "Joe." I will get his last name. Just passed. Had agent orange bad. His skin was falling off his legs.
    My Nam bros are dropping like flies here.
    Yes he felt real bad about the jump. Guy was hung in the door banging against the back of the plane.
    I will get his last name for yah.
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    Hi 4th.

    Prayer sent.....

    No need for Joe's last name, I am sure that God will know who he is.

    Apologies for the God-Awful candle.



    I don't think St. Peter will care. The wife bought a couple of hundred of these years ago. It was the only candle I could find. I was raised Roman catholic, and was taught that you light a candle for the soul you pray for. Good news for Joe; This will burn a while. I thought that using my Work Bench for a makeshift Alter might be appropriate in this case. No offense or slight intended.

    The Prayer,

    Dear Lord, Please grant eternal peace and solace to your servant Joe. His friendship and light are missed here, and his comrades are left with loneliness and sorrow in his absence. Please send peace and comfort to those who Joe touched in his time here on earth, and please grant the peace that Joe craved and strove for during his lifetime to those who remain now that he has passed to his reward.

    In Jesus name we pray.


    God Bless you 4th. I am sorry for your loss.
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    Thumbs up Thank you..

    Way sorry too get off topic on the "Alice Pack." Both Vets on the right in that picture are dead.
    Danny on the left Airborne Nam, we cant get though too.
    My neighbor, down too skin and bones "Lymph cancer". Retired Sheriff across the canal Nam Navy, prostate cancer.
    Buckley, Nam 65 Marine mass in chest. Just called on the way too see how long he has.
    Best Bro Harry. U.S. Marine. Two tours, 25 year retired U.S. Marine. Two purple hearts. Dead two weeks ago.
    Bald headed Barry.U.S. Army, Dead. Happy Valley. Silver star. Cancer.
    You youngguns that were anywhere near that Gulf War.
    Please please keep fighting for your "Gulf war syndrome" whatever the hell they exposed you guys too.
    Were dropping like flies. Together the idiots in D.C. will listen. Divided you will stand alone. Join your Vets organizations.
    Enough of this sad crap. Lets have some fun. Life is short.
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    "Man needs but two things to survive alone in the woods. A blow up female doll and his trusty old AK-47" - Thomas Jefferson 1781


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