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    Default Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile

    Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile

    Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, March 3, 2013, 9:55 PM



    This is getting a little creepy.

    According to one estimate, since last year the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm.

    DHS also purchased 2,700 Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicles (MRAP).

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    Modern Survival Blog reported:

    The Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S. Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.

    Although I’ve seen and read several online blurbs about this vehicle of late, I decided to dig slightly deeper and discover more about the vehicle itself.

    The new DHS sanctioned ‘Street Sweeper’ (my own slang due to the gun ports) is built by Navistar Defense (NavistarDefense.com), a division within the Navistar organization. Under the Navistar umbrella are several other companies including International Trucks, IC Bus (they make school buses), Monaco RV (recreational vehicles), WorkHorse (they make chassis), MaxxForce (diesel engines), and Navistar Financial (the money arm of the company).

    DHS even released a video on their newly purchased MRAPs.

    Via Pat Dollard:



    The MRAP featured in this video is was in Albuquerque, New Mexico for Law Enforcement Day which was held at a local area Target Store. This MRAP is stationed in El Paso, Texas at The Homeland Security Investigations Office. MRAP is a Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicle.

    Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile | The Gateway Pundit


    Black Blade: Actually this makes sense. When Americans rise up against the forces of evil (Totalitarian State) the freedom fighters will take lessons from partisans throughout history and one weapon that has proven effective is the Improvised Explosive Device (IED). Therefore it makes sense that the DHS have a few Motherland Fatherland Homeland Security Armored Divisions. Definitely don't want harm to come to your DHS personnel as they go about slaughtering American citizens - bad for morale ya know.
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    Yeah, I love how it has "Police and Rescue" written on it. That's like a pack of cigarettes having a label that says "they're good for you!" on it. You know that those vehicles are the LAST thing you want to see if you need to be "rescued". I'm sorry, but there is just no legitinate need for a civilian police organization to have an MRAP. That is stricly a Police State vehicle.
    Enforcement, NOT Amnesty!!!!!!

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    It's just another vehicle.

    EFP's will take out an MRAP. The EFP is an Explosively Formed Penetrator, basically a copper disk on top of an explosive inside a pipe. When the charge goes off the copper melts into a 10,000 fps blowtorch that goes thru armor like butter. This was my greatest fear in Iraq, getting hit with an EFP and then being trapped while the truck burned.

    The MRAP has ballistic "glass" windows that are 7 panes thick. Break the outer pane and how the hell are you going to drive it if you can't see where you are going???

    My point is that 1 truck against a determined patriot doesn't have a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikoshay View Post
    The MRAP has ballistic "glass" windows that are 7 panes thick. Break the outer pane and how the hell are you going to drive it if you can't see where you are going?
    A $1 can of Dollar General spray paint would do...

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    Mop up ops performed by the boots on the ground?

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    Yeah, I'd like to see those smucks chase me down the street here in Texas.

    They will have heat stroke within 15 minutes.

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    Why Is Obama's Growing DHS Army Buying Armored Vehicles?

    Posted 06:26 PM ET

    Security: In addition to stockpiling over a billion bullets and thousands of semiautomatic weapons the feds would deny U.S. citizens, the vehicle of choice for fighting the counterinsurgency war in Iraq is appearing on U.S. streets.

    The sequestration question du jour is why the Department of Homeland Security, busy releasing hundreds, if not thousands, of deportable and detained illegal aliens due to budget constraints, is buying several thousand Mine Resistant Armored Protection (MRAP) vehicles?

    And just who are they intended to be used against?

    This acquisition comes on top of the recent news of the stockpiling by DHS of more than 1.6 billion (with a 'b') bullets of various calibers, enough by one calculation to fight the equivalent of a 24-year Iraq War, and the ordering of some 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO "personal defense weapons" (PDW) — also known as "assault weapons" when owned by civilians.

    Additionally, DHS is asking for 30 round magazines that "have a capacity to hold thirty (30) 5.56x45mm NATO rounds."

    The Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S. Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these MRAP vehicles for service on the streets of the U.S. They were formerly used for counterinsurgency in Iraq.

    These vehicles are specifically designed to resist mines and ambush attacks. They use bulletproof windows and are designed to withstand small-arms fire, including smaller-caliber rifles such as a .223 Remington. Does DHS expect a counterinsurgency here?

    After IEDs began to take a toll on U.S. military forces in Iraq, the Pentagon ordered a large supply of MRAPs.

    "They've taken hits, many, many hits that would have killed soldiers and marines in uparmored Humvees," Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in a recent interview.

    A DHS officer, Robert Whitaker, stationed in El Paso, Texas, recently proudly described the agency's new armored toy as "Mine-resistant ... we use to deliver our team to high-risk warrant services ... (with) gun ports so we can actually shoot from within the vehicle; you may think it's pretty loud but actually it's not too bad ... we have gun ports there in the back and two on the sides as well. They are designed for .50-caliber weapons."

    This is needed to serve warrants? Perhaps it might have been useful at Waco.

    So the question is what does DHS need 1.6 billion bullets, 7,000 Ar-15s and 2,700 armored vehicles for?

    What are they anticipating or planning for, and why are few in the media and Congress asking about it, particularly in the light of daily apocalyptic bleats from the administration about sequestration cuts?

    We have asked if this has anything to do with then-candidate Obama's proposal for a national security force as powerful as the U.S. Army.

    In a July 2, 2008, speech in Colorado Springs, Colo., candidate Obama said: "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

    As Judge Andrew Napolitano, a Fox News contributor, recently opined in the Washington Times, "The historical reality of the Second Amendment's protection of the right to keep and bear arms is not that it protects the right to shoot deer. It protects the right to shoot tyrants, and it protects the right to shoot at them effectively, with the same instruments they would use upon us."

    No, we are not scanning the sky for black helicopters.

    But we are concerned about an administration pushing for ever stricter gun control and de facto gun registration in the form of allegedly universal background checks to which criminals and gangbangers won't comply is arming itself to the teeth.

    If weapons of war don't belong on the street, Mr. President, explain these purchases.

    Read More At IBD: DHS Buys Armored Vehicles, Bullets And Assault Weapons - Investors.com DHS Buys Armored Vehicles, Bullets And Assault Weapons - Investors.com
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    On the video the guy doesn't call them cops or officers he calls them "Operators"-WTF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRX View Post
    A $1 can of Dollar General spray paint would do...

    If you can get close enough, the spray paint is pefect, plus a couple gallons of gas through the gun ports, and poof!!!!!!!!!!! DHS flambay!!!!!!!!!!
    Enforcement, NOT Amnesty!!!!!!

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    US Attorney General Gives the Go-Ahead on Domestic Drone Strikes: May Be Necessary Under “Extraordinary Circumstances”



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    shtfplan.com / By Mac Slavo / March 6th, 2013

    When Congress authorized the deployment of some 30,000 drones over U.S. skies with the passage of the FAA Air Transportation Modernization and Safety Improvement Act in 2012 many civil liberties groups, privacy advocates and Americans expressed their concerns about the possibility that these surveillance tools could be used within the borders of the United States much like they are on the battlefields of the middle east where scores of innocent civilians are killed almost every day as collateral damage in direct strikes against alleged terrorists.

    Those fears are very quickly being realized not as possibilities, but actualities.

    In response to questions recently voiced by Senator Rand Paul about drone strikes being used against American citizens on American soil without charge or trial, Attorney General Eric Holder issued a public statement indicating that the government has the right to use armed unmanned aerial vehicles should “extraordinary circumstances” arise.

    Holder writes:


    On February 20, 2013, you wrote to John Brennan requesting additional information concerning the Administration’s views about whether “the President has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, without a trial.”

    As members of this administration have previously indicated, the US government has not carried out drone strikes in the United States and has no intention of doing so. As a policy matter moreover, we reject the use of military force where well-established law enforcement authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat. We have a long history of using the criminal justice system to incapacitate individuals located in our country who pose a threat to the United States and its interests abroad. Hundreds of individuals have been arrested and convicted of terrorism-related offenses in our federal courts.

    The question you have posed is therefore entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur, and one we hope no president will ever have to confront.

    It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States.

    For example, the president could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances like a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001.

    Full Text (PDF)

    The official position of the United States government is that a drone, or any military asset for that matter, can be deployed by the President of the United States or his surrogates without regard to the sixth amendment of the US Constitution, which requires that citizens be afforded the right of facing their accusers, to call witnesses and to be tried by a jury of their peers.

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