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Thread: Police Find Hidden Compartment in Manís Car Ė So Why Was he Arrested???

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4thIDvet View Post
    Even if I do want to have a "Hidden Compartment" It is my personal property, who the hell says I cannot make one and place my valuables in it when traveling..
    Yeah, I would take that to court in a heartbeat. People are building safe rooms, hidden in their homes everyday. Why not a vehicle, it is your property...
    The problem here is if they find your "valuables" - especially if they are hidden - then they will simply steal your property from you and there's not a damn thing you can do about it because it's perfectly legal for them to steal your private property for no reason whatsoever - "asset forfeiture laws". Welcome to the Police State. It's all about collecting revenue and enriching themselves at the peoples expense.
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    For a video of the news story and for what is copied and pasted below http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local...r-law/3655713/

    For the first time in Northeast Ohio, state troopers made an arrest under the state's new "hidden compartment" law.

    The bust happened yesterday on the turnpike in Lorain County.

    They pulled over the driver for speeding, but then troopers noticed several wires running to the back of the car.

    Those wires then led them directly to a hidden compartment.

    Around 5 p.m. on Tuesday state troopers made the arrest under the law, which is meant to combat criminals who modify the inside of their car, allowing them to store drugs or weapons inside secret compartments, which can often only be accessed electronically.

    "During the search, they noticed some components inside the vehicle that did not appear to be factory," says Lt. Michael Combs with State Highway Patrol.

    Channel 3 was not able to shoot video of that car right now because it is being held as evidence, but we can tell you it's "hide" was accessed electronically, meaning you needed to perform a series of events in the correct order, and the the false floor seats or taillights would then pop out, revealing the secret compartment.

    The giveaway this time? Troopers noticed an overwhelming smell of raw marijuana which gave them probable cause to search the car.

    Hidden compartments are only illegal when used to transport drugs or other contraband.

    "We figured it out and followed the wiring and we were able to get it open," says Combs.

    Troopers arrested 30-year-old Norman Gurley, who didn't even have any drugs on him, but it didn't matter, because in Ohio, just driving a "trap" car is now a felony.

    "Without the hidden compartment law, we would not have had any charges on the suspect," says Combs.

    But because of this law, one more "trap car" is now off Northeast Ohio roads.

    "We apparently caught them between runs, so to speak, so this takes away one tool they have in their illegal trade. The law does help us and is on our side," says Combs.

    Gurley, who is from Michigan, was arraigned this morning and has since posted bond.

    Combs says the "hide" in Gurley's car was big enough to carry several pounds of drugs.
    "To show you how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead. No court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and when they attack you, shoot 'em."
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    This is what happens when you go along with the "if you aren't guilty then you don't have anything to worry about" bs. What is "hidden"? A glove compartment? My Silverado had a cup holder section that popped off and had a compartment underneath. I would use it for holding my wallet or small valuables when I would leave them in the truck. That might trigger a law written so wide open.

    In my opinion, if were wires so obvious that opening a door or trunk "led them straight to it", then it wasn't a hidden compartment. I hate to say this, but ACLU, where are you? Failing that, a good lawyer looking for a settlement on the side. This should be a slam-dunk against the state.
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    There must be more to the story than they are letting on. It specifically mentions controlled substance, residue of a controlled substance, or someone convicted of trafficking in drugs. So what is the rest of the story?

    Here is the wording that was voted on for the law.
    http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/b...?ID=129_SB_305

    AN ACT

    To enact section 2923.241 of the Revised Code to prohibit designing, building, constructing, fabricating, modifying, or altering a vehicle to create or add a hidden compartment with the intent to facilitate the unlawful concealment or transportation of a controlled substance, prohibit operating, possessing, or using a vehicle with a hidden compartment with knowledge that the hidden compartment is used or intended to be used to facilitate the unlawful concealment or transportation of a controlled substance, and prohibit a person who has committed a first or second degree felony violation of aggravated trafficking in drugs from operating, possessing, or using a vehicle with a hidden compartment.


    Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Ohio:

    SECTION 1. That section 2923.241 of the Revised Code be enacted to read as follows:

    Sec. 2923.241. (A) As used in this section:

    (1) "Controlled substance" has the same meaning as in section 3719.01 of the Revised Code.

    (2) "Hidden compartment" means a container, space, or enclosure that conceals, hides, or otherwise prevents the discovery of the contents of the container, space, or enclosure. "Hidden compartment" includes, but is not limited to, any of the following:

    (a) False, altered, or modified fuel tanks;

    (b) Any original factory equipment on a vehicle that has been modified to conceal, hide, or prevent the discovery of the modified equipment's contents;

    (c) Any compartment, space, box, or other closed container that is added or attached to existing compartments, spaces, boxes, or closed containers integrated or attached to a vehicle.

    (3) "Vehicle" has the same meaning as in section 4511.01 of the Revised Code and includes, but is not limited to, a motor vehicle, commercial tractor, trailer, noncommercial trailer, semitrailer, mobile home, recreational vehicle, or motor home.

    (4) "Motor vehicle," "commercial trailer," "trailer," "noncommercial trailer," "semitrailer," "mobile home," "manufacturer," "recreational vehicle," and "motor home" have the same meanings as in section 4501.01 of the Revised Code.

    (5) "Motor vehicle dealer" has the same meaning as in section 4517.01 of the Revised Code.

    (B) No person shall knowingly design, build, construct, or fabricate a vehicle with a hidden compartment, or modify or alter any portion of a vehicle in order to create or add a hidden compartment, with the intent to facilitate the unlawful concealment or transportation of a controlled substance.

    (C) No person shall knowingly operate, possess, or use a vehicle with a hidden compartment with knowledge that the hidden compartment is used or intended to be used to facilitate the unlawful concealment or transportation of a controlled substance.

    (D) No person who has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of aggravated trafficking in drugs under section 2925.03 of the Revised Code that is a felony of the first or second degree shall operate, possess, or use a vehicle with a hidden compartment.

    (E) Whoever violates division (B) of this section is guilty of designing a vehicle with a hidden compartment used to transport a controlled substance. Except as otherwise provided in this division, designing a vehicle with a hidden compartment used to transport a controlled substance is a felony of the fourth degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of division (B) of this section, designing a vehicle with a hidden compartment used to transport a controlled substance is a felony of the third degree.

    (F) Whoever violates division (C) or (D) of this section is guilty of operating a vehicle with a hidden compartment used to transport a controlled substance. Except as otherwise provided in this division, operating a vehicle with a hidden compartment used to transport a controlled substance is a felony of the fourth degree. Except as otherwise provided in this division, if the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of division (C) or (D) of this section, operating a vehicle with a hidden compartment used to transport a controlled substance is a felony of the third degree. If the hidden compartment contains a controlled substance at the time of the offense, operating a vehicle with a hidden compartment used to transport a controlled substance is a felony of the second degree.

    (G) This section does not apply to any law enforcement officer acting in the performance of the law enforcement officer's duties.

    (H)(1) This section does not apply to any licensed motor vehicle dealer or motor vehicle manufacturer that in the ordinary course of business repairs, purchases, receives in trade, leases, or sells a motor vehicle.

    (2) This section does not impose a duty on a licensed motor vehicle dealer to know, discover, report, repair, or disclose the existence of a hidden compartment to any person.

    (I) This section does not apply to a box, safe, container, or other item added to a vehicle for the purpose of securing valuables, electronics, or firearms provided that at the time of discovery the box, safe, container, or other item added to the vehicle does not contain a controlled substance or visible residue of a controlled substance.
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    "We apparently caught them between runs, so to speak, so this takes away one tool they have in their illegal trade. The law does help us and is on our side," says Combs."

    Bingo right there, as per snipers post.. Like I am guessing, they were watching these guys. They were not stopping Mom and Pop out for a Sunday ride..
    L.O.s timing was just off.. Almost got em..
    Remind me to tell you the story from the cocaine cowboy days when my buddy hit a tree with his loaded plane in the Bahamas.
    Damn, had to fly to Florida, get a new prop, install the damn thing. Then have the natives push the plane to get it going.
    Do not think he had any "hidden compartments."
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    Still, no contraband and yet charged with a felony for driving an auto with a hidden compartment? I can see opportunities abound for abuse. I don't see where they were watching these guys though as they "claim" they noticed some wires in the article. I would like a car that I could stash a few things without attracting the criminal element and not be subject to a felony at the same time. Should be interesting to follow this case and see where it leads.
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    Well maybe he was running pot and was between runs, or the po po used the age old non provable I smelled the odor or maryjane in the car to facilitate a search. Whichever, I still see this as an unconstitutional law. I can put as many hidden comartments in my car as I want, as long as there is nothing illegal in them. How in the world did this Nazi type law get passed? Ohio folks need to get this one off the books. It sets precedence for other states to follow suite.
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    Ill drive around with cash under my floor matt. They are taking this shit way too far. They need to add "With a commission of a felony" You have drugs or shit there, then there is a charge., Makes me want to grab an old Station wagon and swiss cheese the SOB and drive around.
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    With that law a person will be arrested just for having a sub woofer box, that can be classed as a "hidden compartment" since it's not from the factory like that.



    How in the world did this Nazi type law get passed?
    That question hits the nail on the head





    Makes me want to grab an old Station wagon and swiss cheese the SOB and drive around
    LOL
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    "G) This section does not apply to any law enforcement officer acting in the performance of the law enforcement officer's duties."

    So hidden drug smuggling compartments are specifically allowed in Cop Cars???????

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