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    Living off the grid can be illegal



    Rolf and Mari von Walthausen at their 12 x 16 square-foot cabin in Cedar, Michigan

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    The von Walthausens sold their house, quit their day jobs and built a tiny cabin in the woods with no running water or electricity. They got new part-time jobs teaching yoga and tuning pianos, they were living in the woods, getting their water from a stream nearby, gathering wood to heat their wood- burning stove, and using their compostable toilet outside.

    Rolf von Walthausen said living off the grid is hard work, but he and his wife love it.

    “This way you get to be out in nature 365 days a year and really get into those natural rhythms that we in modern society have lost,” Rolf von Walthausen said.

    And they started getting closer to their neighbors. They trade things like tools for eggs and syrup. Mari von Walthausen said they began spending time with people around them more than they ever could before.

    “Most people in most neighborhoods have no idea who even lives next door because you get home after dark and you just collapse,” Mari von Walthausen said.

    Living off the grid was illegal

    Life was good. Until the local zoning and health officials found out. Turns out there are two major problems with the von Walthausen’s lifestyle.

    Clay McNitt is with the Benzie-Leelanau District Health Department.

    “A habitable dwelling should have running water to it and should have a means of sanitary disposal of the sewage. That's what our code requires,” McNitt said.

    The second problem is that their 200-square-foot house is actually too small to be considered livable in their township.

    Continued: Living off the grid can be illegal | Michigan Radio


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    theres just nothing i can disagree with you on this about...

    its ALL about control of people & what they do.
    say what you mean & mean what you say


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    Got to have a big house so they pay more property taxes. How big are agenda 21 apartments? But that would be the guberment telling you how and where to live.

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    So typical of bureaucrats....
    So, would a small outside tank (or rain water catchment) with a pipe going into the house be considered is 'running water' ?

    I guess the lesson here is if you want to go 'off-grid' make sure you are well outside any city limits, in an un-incorporated area and the county doesn't have onerous restrictions. (Easier to find out west I hear...)
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    Just say It's a club house or a storage shed put a lawn mower on the porch and there ya go!

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    we has a lady here who refuses to hook up to the city water cause she has a well, she does not have electric just hurricane lamps and candles, she also has a septic system but they want her to hook up to city water and sewer and get electric they have tried to evict her a few times.

    what BS
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    A friend from work bought a farm in Sparta, Kentucky for his retirement. A county agent told him to have his well water check before drinking it. He had second thoughts at the testing office and poured his sample out at the testing agency and refilled the bottle with county water from the scuttlebutt "water fountain for you land lovers". A week later they called and told him the water was unsafe for drinking.
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    Here's another example of stupid locals official cracking down:
    Boy, 9, creates library in his front yard. City, stupid, shuts it down. - Boing Boing

    9 Yr-old builds a 'Little Library' (essentially a book sharing box and a mailbox post) and get s a notice from the city saying its an illegal out-building !! What is going on in this country... Freedom, is it just a word now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocster View Post
    What is going on in this country... Freedom, is it just a word now?
    Well, America may have been the land of the free at one time, but it's not anymore.

    I'm surprised he only got a notice from the city. I guess the swat team must have been busy.
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    What about the kids' lemonade stands, there's been a lot of articles about them being shut down because they didn't have permits WTF
    "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem" Ronald Reagan

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