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    FBI found less than expected at 'prepper's' home



    Valrico, Florida -- When federal agents raided Martin Winters' home in Valrico this week, they were also armed with a warrant they obtained with information from an undercover informant.

    According to the indictment, agents were looking for as many as 50 high-powered AR-15 rifles and several explosive devices buried around Winters' properties.

    But after several hours, agents apparently found far less than what they were led to believe they would.

    When Special Agent Dave Couvertier, the FBI's spokesman, was asked what they had discovered, he declined comment.

    "Well, that's part of the original investigation," Couvertier said. "But eventually at some point, those issues will be addressed publicly."

    In federal court Wednesday, Winters' defense attorney. Ellis Faught, suggested the confidential informant's estimates were overblown.

    There were four so-called destructive devices purchased by the informant, said Faught, but not buried on the property as booby traps.

    A confidential informant told the FBI they would find bombs and dozens of guns at Martin Winters' home. So, did they?

    "None of this was there," he told the court.

    "And it's my understanding that no guns were dug up," Faught said after the hearing. "It was alleged by the government that there were 50 to 60 guns and I'm only aware of five of them that were found and they were found in his house in a safe."

    Winters' daughters also said that their father was not a danger. "We knew he wouldn't hurt anyone. We knew he wouldn't put anyone else in jeopardy," Winters' daughters told us.

    The three women, speaking exclusively with 10 News, say what is buried on their property is dozens of barrels of food.

    MORE: Winters' daughters defend father

    Any weapons their father, a so-called "doomsday prepper" might have had they say, were only to defend what he had amassed for them.

    "He is just preparing if days were to come where there was no grocery store and you had to have food and you couldn't go get it," said Winters' youngest daughter, Tracie. "It's not like he's preparing to hurt anyone ever. That's not his intentions,"

    For now Winters will remain in jail. His next court appearance set for July 17.

    It's possible federal agents will present more evidence found during Monday's search of Winters' properties, which may further support claims made by their confidential informant.

    FBI found less than expected at 'prepper's' home


    Black Blade: Seems someone had a beef with the old man and had him SWATTED while the FBI goes on a fishing expedition to cover up a 4th Amendment violation. I suspect they will "plant" something perhaps to account for no bail and keeping him locked up. Oddly enough he was out at the time of the raid and he turned himself in with his lawyer present. I wonder what problem this so called "informant" had with the old man.
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    What are they holding him for if they didn't find anything? A couple pounds of tannerite?
    “The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”

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    So he's in jail for looking different? Or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimraynor21 View Post
    What are they holding him for if they didn't find anything? A couple pounds of tannerite?
    They just have not found anything yet.

    ETA I just watched the video. Apparently the judge ordered him detained because " he is a danger to society"
    Last edited by stalker1; Today at 01:15 AM. Reason: had to piss

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    Another agency that has no constitutional authority for its existence.
    Tree huggin' dirt worshipper!

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    He should be drawn-and-quartered for not having regularly visited a barber.
    THEY FOUND NOTHING BUT FOOD and the JUDGE SAYS HE'S A DANGER TO SOCIETY? Looks like the judge should be fitted for a bodybag too.
    He will end up being charged with having child porn on his computer. That's the easiet thing to bring into a house.
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    WE need to get back to the states taking care of the people and not the Federal Govt. It seems like a LOT of these raids are based off of Federal warrants and not local. Thats getting to be BS
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    Is there a limit on how many guns you can possess, if they are legal to own and not stolen?

    Is this where someone was making a 12 gauge shell fit in a pipe? If the pipe was longer than 18 inches it shouldn't be illegal to do so or am I wrong.

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    YOU MAY POSSES STOLEN GUNS, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THEY ARE STOLEN.
    KNOWINGLY recieving stolen goods is the problem.
    Making a 12 ga shell fit in a 3 inch pipe SHOULDN'T BE ILLEGAL. You just have to be pretty tough to use it.
    It is legal to make a rifle or pistol for your own use, NO MATTER THE CALIBER or GAUGE.
    You're just not supposed to sell them.
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    Anyone that can legally own a firearm can make that firearm for themselves. The problem with stolen firearms is once they are discovered (If they are) you loose them. If you bought them from a private person,your out the money; unless you know who it was, then vengeance is yours.

    There has been "democratic" terms for "arsenal" but as far as I am concerned, the larger the collection only means the amount of conversation I have someone.
    Pryotex is TEC Tactical, A Licensed 07/SOT

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