I took both tripods to the range today for testing with my 191 with the new spade grips. I reworked the first model by tilting the front legs to eliminate the tendency to tip forward. Both models worked great. they both are the right height to sit and shoot off the bench comfortably. The second model with the GI T&E looks better than the other one but I kind of like the first model better. I plan on making a brass deflector for it to seperate the links from the empty cases, it is a pita to sort them out. All that needs to be done for the first model is finish the windage mechanism. The elevator works good and the gun is very stable on both. Rapid fire with the spade grips is a thing to behold, the gun sounds like a FA when shooting.