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    OK I know that buying a Century built FAL can be a crapshoot but this gun looked real good. I now find that the gas adj ring won?t turn lower than about 4 ? and I can?t see how the damn thing is attached, it doesn?t seem to have that C shaped spring like it should. Also the piston must have been too long so it was cut down to make it fit, it still has the rough cut marks so I?ll have to clean them up so it won?t markup the bolt carrier. The gas plug is longer than others I?ve seen so I?d guess that?s why the piston was cut down, I think this may be an Israeli gas plug or something.
    Now the biggest problem is the fact that it won?t fire, it makes a dimple in the primer but no happiness. I removed the pin (Two piece) and it looks fine so I measured how far it protrudes when I compress the spring and I get .050 of pin showing. I need to know if that is correct or is it short? Anyone out there that can pull their bolt and check this for me I?d appreciate it very much, or if you have any other ideas that may help please feel free to put your two cents in. Oh yah if you do pull the firing pin, how long is it? My pin is 3.305 lg. not including the rear piece.
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    Where is Scubadvr when you need him? Damn, that thing doesn't sound too good. I've been thinking of getting one of those myself as well since kits have dried up.

    I hope it turns out well for you.

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    Thanks for wishing me well Sang, After posting I had a thought, what if the head spacing is off? If it?s not tight enough it may allow the round to move forward as the firing pin hits. I called my local gun guy and he doesn?t have .308 gauges, so I guess I?ll take a fired case, put a couple layers of tape on the back end and see if it still will close. If it does I?ll really have to wonder about the head spacing on this bitch. What I may do is pop the Locking Shoulder out and measure it and then order the next size bigger, I?ll need it later anyway as the new receiver stretches with use. I still hope someone will measure how far the firing pin extends from the bolt face on his or her gun so I?ll know if I?m in spec.
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    Dang. I don't have anything to measure with here at my house but I would say that you have a whole bevvy of problems going on. You really need to get a no go guage thrown into that bad boy just to be safe. The tape deal is a hit or miss. I just wouldn't do it. If someone here (that I know) can vouch for you then I will send you my go and no-go as well as my pin guages if you need them also. I also have some locking shoulders if you need them......... not sure what size they are but they were too big for my builds.

    As far as the firing pin is concerned I think I would start by ordering a new spring kit from Falcon Arms (I think that's the name of them). It might just be that the hammer spring is too short or not quite strong enough to strike the firing pin with enough force. Either way it's a good idea to replace the crappy century springs. I would just go ahead and get a new piston and gas plug while you're at it. If you count your US parts and you have more than you need I can send you an Imbel piston. No dice on the plug but you should be able to find one pretty cheap.

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    Thanks for the feedback guys, After stripping the bolt I tried using a fired round from my Saiga to gauge the headspace but it won?t chamber the case, so I used a live round and found it had a nice snap as it locked up. Then I added a.003 layer of tape and the bolt wouldn?t close the last 3/8-inch, so I think the headspace is most likely fine. The locking shoulder is new also, so they must have done a decent job of headspacing the gun. The idea of a new hammer spring is a good one because it does seem a little weak to me. I wish I?d thought of this last week, I just bought new springs for my M1-Garand from Wolff and could have saved on the shipping. The piston doesn?t worry me because I?ll order a new Tapco SS piston shortly, it?s the gas adj. that bothers me some, I?ll have to knock the little pin out and dismantle the gas tube and see if I can get it to work. I wonder if it?s out of round? At this point it?s an expensive wall hanger, looks great but isn?t worth a shit. And of course it would be nice if Century would get back to me on this but that?s probably too much to expect. I don?t think I?d ever buy anything from Century again as long as it?s something they put together in house.
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    OG,

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7.62x39
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    Where are you located?

    I live about twenty miles South of Rockford Illinois and seventy or so miles West of Chicago, it?s a little town named Malta, just West of DeKalb the home of NIU. DeKalb is famous for a few things, NIU, barbed wire was invented here, and DeKalb Seed. You may have seen the flying ear of corn sign that says DeKalb on it in some farmer?s field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SangRun Hunter
    Where is Scubadvr when you need him? Damn, that thing doesn't sound too good. I've been thinking of getting one of those myself as well since kits have dried up.

    I hope it turns out well for you.

    I've been away for a little while. Just purchased a M1 Carbine (Rock Ola), be messing with it.

    Regarding the FAL, take the gas tube off from the receiver end. The whole tube may then be able to be removed. If not try to unsrew the adjuster all the way off. There is a little pin in the bottom portion of the gas tube (very tiny) that may have to be punched out. Also there is a spring that is bent in the shape of a squared "U" that has a small "v" bent in the bottom. Its job is to keep the adjuster from changing settings. Make sure all parts are clean and free of any burrs. Hope this helps. Jack

    P.S. I also endorse getting a new spring kit Falcon Arms . Tapco has them as well.

    P.S.S. Do you have a site for the M1 springs?
    Be sure to check out:
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    www.michaelsavage.com


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    Scubadvr, Thanks for the thread to Falcon Arms. I received a FAL tool from DSA today and used it to turn the gas ring on my FAL, it now works fine, must have had a burr or some crud. I picked up the AGI video on building the FAL at a local gun shop for $10 (used). So I now have complete info on how to tare the gun down, the video shows a C-shaped spring holding the gas ring in place; I don?t see this or a groove for it to fit into. My only real concern is getting the gun to fire. A new spring may work but I would still like to find out how far the firing pin should protrude from the bolt, like I said I?ve got .050, but it seams I?ve seen another make of gun listing .055 to .065 as a minimum and maximum for it?s pin. This gun seems to be a mix of parts from different models so the pin may not be from this bolt, I?d like to know if .050 is correct before I spend $15 for a new firing pin when a $4 spring will do.
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    You will be surprised, the FAL is a pretty indistructable weapon. I have built several on Century receivers and with a little tweeking they work fine. The video you mentioned is good, the only one better is by Mark Graham, aka Gunplumber. His site is www.arizonaresponsesystems.com. Keep me in the loop as you move forward. Jack
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