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    Hey... I know you!

    Thought that was you. How's the hot weather treating you? I heard it has been in the 90's up where you're at.
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    Terrible! mid to high 90's. I prefer mid 60's. Almost too hot to shoot!

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    Welcome to the forum SNAKEBYTE.

    If you deside to buy this I'd ask them if they could headspace it with an AR bolt and what it would cost as a complete upper, unless you can do this yourself.
    I think it would save you some possible headaches.


    but if you don't have that extra hole in the lower, you should be ok.
    Unlike the AK, you should not have any M16 (full auto) internals on the same property as an AR, they can get you for "intent to build" just for having this stuff and a legal rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coils

    If you deside to buy this I'd ask them if they could headspace it with an AR bolt and what it would cost as a complete upper, unless you can do this yourself.
    I think it would save you some possible headaches.
    Also to build on what coils is saying - have you checked with del-ton or model 1 sales? They sell complete AR kits (everything but the stripped lower receiver) for around $465 (and up depending on options).
    "To show you how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead. No court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and when they attack you, shoot 'em."
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    I was thinking about the sarco parts kit, but I don't have an extra $400, plus $110 for a lower receiver. Trying to sell some things to get it, but I am looking for cheap right now. Hard times put a damper on the fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coils
    Welcome to the forum SNAKEBYTE.

    Unlike the AK, you should not have any M16 (full auto) internals on the same property as an AR, they can get you for "intent to build" just for having this stuff and a legal rifle.
    That's debatable, The FCG is definately a no-no, The M-16 upper is AOK because there is no way an upper can be modified so the rifle can fire more than one round. I'm doing some research on the issue now. What I'm finding is you can even have an M-16 carrier in your AR! IMO I wouldn't use an M16 carrier. An unscrupulous agent at the range might decide to twist the regulations and apply "intent". But I would confidently install an M-16 upper with an AR carrier and shoot away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry
    That's debatable, The FCG is definately a no-no, The M-16 upper is AOK because there is no way an upper can be modified so the rifle can fire more than one round. I'm doing some research on the issue now. What I'm finding is you can even have an M-16 carrier in your AR! IMO I wouldn't use an M16 carrier. An unscrupulous agent at the range might decide to twist the regulations and apply "intent". But I would confidently install an M-16 upper with an AR carrier and shoot away!
    I wouldn't use an M-16 carrier, FCG, or selector. Now if an M-16 upper is used with AR parts then it doesn't appear to be a problem. You're right that the upper isn't what makes it full- or semi- but rather the carrier, FCG, and selector.

    Check out these two items of interest from the ATF:

    "The definition of machinegun also includes a combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person. An example of a firearm meeting this section of the definition is a semiautomatic AR15 rifle possessed with an M16 bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector and selector. If the semiautomatic AR15 is assembled with the described M16 parts and the rifle is capable of fully automatic fire, the weapon possessed in conjunction with the M16 parts, whether assembled or not, is a machinegun as defined.17"
    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/nfa_...k/chapter2.pdf

    "IMPORTANT INFORMATION CONCERNING AR-15 TYPE RIFLES
    ATF has encountered various AR-15 type rifles such as those manufactured by Colt, E.A. Company, SGW, Sendra and others which have been assembled with fire control components designed for use in M16 machine guns. The vast majority of these rifles which have been assembled with an M16 bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector and selector will fire automatically merely by manipulation of the selector or removal of the disconnector. Many of these rifles using less than the 5 M16 parts listed above will also shoot automatically by manipulation of the selector or removal of the disconnector. Any weapon which shoots automatically, more than 1 shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger, is a machine gun as defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845(b), the National Firearms Act (NFA). In addition, the definition of machine gun also includes any combination of parts from which a machine gun may be assembled, if such parts are in possession or under the control of a person. An AR-15 type assault rifle which fires more than one shot by a single function o the trigger is a machine gun under the NFA. Any machine gun is subject to the NFA and the possession of an unregistered machine gun could the possessor to criminal prosecution. Additionally, these rifles could pose a safety hazard in that they may fire automatically without the user being aware that the weapon will fire more than 1 shot with a single pull of the trigger.
    In order to avoid violations of the NFA, M16, hammers, triggers, disconnectors, selectors and bolt carriers must not be used in assembly of AR-15 type semiautomatic rifles, unless the M16 parts have been modified to AR-15 Model SP1 configuration. Any AR-15 type rifles which have been assembled with M16 internal components should have those parts removed and replaced with AR-15 Model SP1 type parts which are available commercially. The M16 components also may be modified to AR-15 Model SP1 configuration.
    It is important to note that any modification of the M16 parts should be attempted by fully qualified personnel only.
    Should you have any questions concerning AR-15 type rifles with M16 parts, please contact your nearest ATF office. Our telephone numbers are listed in the ?United States Government? section of your telephone directory under the ?United States Department of Justice.?"
    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/nfa_...appendix_b.pdf
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    Thanxs sniper69! That's what I was trying to find somewhere in my files. SNAKEBYTE, I hope that those statements and links clarify any questions you might have!

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    Thanks for the info guys! I wish these were cheaper...

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    I agree, an M16 upper is fine to use. But that's all I'd use from an M16, everything else including the bolt carrier would be AR stuff.

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