Thanks blazerbender. I did some more looking at it last night. I even found an article by David Carodeine(?) the kung fu guy. He was making bronze castings of heads he had done in clay first. I guess I need to look at how much the ceramic material costs and how cheap you could make a forge and get a book on aluminum casting. The wife drinks enough pepsi to keep me in aluminum so thats not a problem. I even saw something on plaster casting that looks promising also.