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    Default Belt fed AR?

    Has anyone here built a belt-fed AR15 upper? (even in calibers other than 5.56) If so, would you mind sharing some info?

    Thanks

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    Something like this? D&D Guns - SHRIKE 5.56 Belt feed Conversion for M16 / AR15 Family of Weapons



    Or this one? Home | Valkyrie Armament


    Haven't built one but they look interesting.
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    Yes Sniper, exactly what I mean. Looking for someone that has actually built one and would help with advice or do one for me. Thanks.

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    Lakeside Machine Razorback upper.

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    Dang, that Valkyrie looks mean!!!
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    hehe! the belt fed ar-15/m-16 looks mean as hell--

    i often wondered why the DOD didn't develop something like that into a SAW type weapon.

    and it would be cheap to build compared to what the DOD is buying.

    i wonder?? does it eject through the mag port or out the ejection port?

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    Ejection port. A lot of the mag wells have a adapter for a saw box (or nut sack).

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    Modern Firearms - Stoner 63 looks to be another early example.
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    I think Colt even designed some belt fed models. The problem is the quality of 5.56 belts. They aren't great when new and get worse with use.

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    Hi Bill,

    So this is going to wander around a bit. But I have to tell the whole story so that everyone will understand what went into this design.

    Back in the day (1989-1991) an associate of mine did a lot of work in this regard. His answer was not terribly revolutionary, but the weapon operator could use either belt feed, or Magazine feed; which was unique at that time.

    He perfected his design, mostly by trial and error much like John Browning did, and by 1991; he demonstrated his baby to the Marine Corps. They were suitably impressed. They requested 10 units for initial trials, and he built those forthwith. 2 days before delivery, the State of Kalifornia raided his shop. You can fill in the blanks for yourself. In his defense, he was fully licensed, and was operating completely within the law. The State had completely screwed the pooch on the raid. But, since they are the State, and cannot tolerate their supremacy being challenged, they raided again three days later but also had search warrants for the employee's vehicles and homes. One had marijuana "residue" in his vehicle. And that, was the end of that.

    The 10 trial units were allowed to be delivered to the Marine Corps., who found the design to "hold great promise". But since the State of Kalifornia had leveled charges against the employee and the business, nothing ever came of it.

    I fired examples of this weapon, and would sell my wife and my children to own one. It possessed every blessing you could want. The most important design elements were:

    1. Replaceable barrels. 18" were the standard length.
    2. Double roller (Think HK, but with two rollers on each side of the bolt carrier) interrupted recoil operation. This was really unique because full disengagement did not occur until the projectile was nearly exiting the muzzle.
    3. Cyclic rate was 725-785 rounds per minute.
    4. Really controllable in operation. The weapon was light, about 13.5lb but it tended to bury itself into your shoulder as opposed to radical muzzle climb. Very similar to an MG42 in operation. Very heavy barrel profile, about 1.15in at the receiver end of the weapon, and stepping down toward the muzzle in three increments to .775in.
    5. Operator configurable to fire from either an open bolt, or a closed bolt.

    Very simply put, the biggest issue with this design was the shitty ammo links, they used to hand sort them into a usable pile, and a reject pile. They even created some sizing tools to speed up the process.

    At 400 meters, I could reliably perforate any target like you would at a carnival game where you shoot out the red star...At 600 meters, the impacts would wander around in a predictable way. Think M-60.

    The last time I fired one of these, I put 750 rounds downrange with only enough time to change the 125 round linked belts. No failures. But I personally think the barrel was toast after that. It was early evening, and the barrel was glowing a dull red for the last 6 inches of the barrel.

    My buddy eventually beat off all of the charges, but it sank him. He BK'd in 1993 and moved to Arizona.

    My retelling of this does no justice to the absolute perfection of this design. Sadly, it is just another example of how the Gov. tends to crush innovation and the free exercise of our rights. My buddy passed away in 1997. I spread his ashes from an airplane over Anacapa Island off the coast of Ventura, Ca. as he had asked for in his will on his birthday in 1998.

    A little bit of background on my buddy.

    He enlisted n the Marine Corps in 1961, I was not even an itch at that time.

    He participated in numerous deployments undertaken by the Marine Corps. in the Caribbean, Southeast Asia, and "other" locations. Some you you Marines will understand. Four tours in Vietnam, three were voluntary.

    Also served in Lebanon, was captured, and spent 16 weeks in captivity until he was able to kill his captors and escape. He was nearly killed by his own Marines because they did not believe that he was who he was until he pulled off the clothes he was wearing to reveal his skin color. I am certain that there are some Marines out there who have heard this story.

    He served until 1985, retired as a Master Gunnery Sergent (I think, E-9 specifically).

    I am not going to name my Buddy. He would not approve. He always preferred to be known as a Marine. He was all of that. In my heart, I believe that he is the NCOIC of the Marine Guard at the Gates of Heaven.

    Thank God for our Marines.
    Remained a Marine until his dying day.

    A superbly disciplined individual, and one of the most Honorable Men I have ever known.


    I hope that helps some.
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    Peace, Love, And Superior Firepower






    Bellson

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