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    Default How can this be legal?

    How can this be legal when the Akins Accelerator wasn't?

    It is a bump fire stock for the AR15.
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    Here is a video of the now banned Akins Accelerator.



    It looks the same to me, what do you think?

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    Because ATF gets to decide, on a case by case basis, what is and isn't an MG. They can also change their mind at any time and declare a previously approved item is now an MG and force the maker to recall/buyback all his product. All subject to the whims of whoever is in charge at any given time, the individual examiner that catches the job that day, etc.

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    Akins didn't send an envelope full of money in or to the right person


    I know what you mean, I thought the same thing when I first saw that
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    this kind of stuff makes me uneasy--

    lets say you plunk down your $$ and get one of these bump-firing thingies that is quasi-legal now.

    say the BATF decides to change it's policy? what would THAT policy change make you?

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    350 bucks poorer when you have to turn it in. When they told Akins his toy was being reclassified, he had to recall them. IIRC, they finally accepted that as long as the spring was gone, it was OK as it didn't work without it.

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    Wonder if it actually works?

    Looks like the same idea to me. The gun moves, but not the stock doesn't. I would worry too if you took it the the range or a cop saw you with it they would think I was a illegal MG.

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    Just like the "sputter guns" they used to make it'l probably be reclassified after a little while.

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    Atkins had a spring that made it work automatically by just depressing the trigger. The SSAR 15 requires intentional forward pushing of the forearm of the weapon to make it work. Also Atkins never actually sent the ATF a working model of the model they sold. They instead sent a model for the SKS which broke immediately during testing and never actually worked. However, it seems the ATF did say that they did approve the actual concept of the Atkins. Slide fire solutions sent the actual model they are selling, so I think it may be a little harder, but not impossible for the ATF to rescind the approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dark Knight View Post
    Wonder if it actually works?

    Looks like the same idea to me. The gun moves, but not the stock doesn't. I would worry too if you took it the the range or a cop saw you with it they would think I was a illegal MG.
    They do work. I saw someone at the range with one and he was shooting 9mm to keep it quiet. He said it takes a little practice to get it to work. He had the ATF papers saying that it's legal.

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    They do work. I saw someone at the range with one ...... He said it takes a little practice to get it to work.
    Can't figure out how to bump fire? Spend 350 and it'll make you look like a pro.
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