Got a Chrony to check the velocities on the sabots. the average for 5 rounds was 2288fps with a high of 2296. I got most of 20 rounds into a 1" target square at 50 yards with just a couple of flyers. Seems the bullet seater I was using was actually pushing on the sabot, not the bullet so I made a special ram for the Tok bullet seater just for sabots. It did seem to help some but sabots will never be target ammo.