Still waiting on my Del-Ton M4 kit. In the mean time I was going to order a PSA lower. Started talking with a guy at work, that turned out to be an AR guy who is starting to develop some interest in building an APEX Bulgy AK74 kit. Told him about my M4 project, and he mentioned that he just bought a PSA lower, and wants to sell his Del-Ton lower. I wound up buying it for $60.00. Fairly new, one scratch (minor), no transfer fee, no shipping, etc.... I'm pleased. BTW, he was changing lowers because his AR kit was from PSA, but he already had the Del-Ton lower. He just wanted a matching rifle. Works out for me.