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    Quote Originally Posted by Coils View Post
    But that's not the manufacturers problem if they follow the law and the end user doesn't, the end user is the only criminal if they make something illegal.


    Just like mtdew & 4th said "They are sh*tting on the Constitution" & "They make the rules as they go.."
    Kind of viral on all the gun forums Coils it is.. Seems to be they raided the place, not for what they were doing wrong. But what they thought their customers "might" be doing wrong. Yah can't do that. Judge said "yah can't do that." He or she is pissed.. Hence the restraint order on the ATF..
    ATF wants these receivers serial numbered. Well if that is not the law, sorry about their wants and needs. Welcome to America. Now I guess??, they have the guys computers and you can bet the house their going through every name that bought from the company.. Illegal as hell, but welcome to Nappies new commie Amerika.
    WACO and Ruby Ridge is just quieting down, now this. WTF over..
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    ugh this letter pretty much tells you where this is going & why they moved on this....

    its the latest reply from the ATF that ive seen.. if its already posted sorry.

    http://aresarmor.com/store/media/cms...and-desist.pdf

    pay VERY close attention to that 2ndt to last paragraph. the one that starts with "as we understand it"

    unfortunately for these guys this has been pretty common knowledge in build party circles for a while & if they were doing this ... they are probably hosed.
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    As I understand it, Ares is the distributer for EP Armory, correct? Is Ares owned by EP? If so, what is their responsibility?
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    EP is in Bakersfield, Ares is in Oceanside. I think they are 2 separate companies. But I don't know.
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    they are 2 different companies...

    this was executed on them both at the same time. hence the confusion.
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    so seanny

    how do you think this going to shake out,??????

    are they going to send out letters like the atkins accelorater ????

    or make house visits??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprat View Post
    so seanny

    how do you think this going to shake out,??????

    are they going to send out letters like the atkins accelorater ????

    or make house visits??
    ^^This
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprat View Post
    so seanny

    how do you think this going to shake out,??????

    are they going to send out letters like the atkins accelorater ????

    or make house visits??
    on this site i can give MHO...

    so just as a gun nut?

    short term?

    for Ares: will rest on IF they were actually doing completion of these at their place of biz... IF they were.. they are hosed.

    for EP: from what ive read on their end its all about if they are having the molding around the plug... as the design letter said they would... or if they are inserting the plug later...


    long term for build party's?

    absolutely positively if you own a business of any type dont be having a build party where you let people use your equipment to build a gun.

    for private people? as i was told first hand... avoid the CNC issues & make sure everyone does their own work at a build party.. not much of a risk.

    to non firearm status receivers? (80%) look for some much tougher rules coming on the AR versions real soon...

    but it would be virtually impossible to do a recall on them.. they are just tooo disposable & most people have ruined more of them than they completed.

    thats just the opinion of a redneck who's had "visits" & phone calls with the goobs & also just happens to work for an 07/sot... its worth what you paid for it. :-) nothing.
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    seanny

    thats what I wanted to know and I value your observations

    great minds think alike, youread the situation as I have read it
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    If the implications in that ATF letter are true I can see why they are pissed. Maybe still *legal* but thats reallllly pushing it being a business etc like dutigaf said.
    “The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”

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