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    Looking around at mag options for the 223, I see than lots of people add a bullet guide to the Saiga rifle to allow military mags to work. My question is, if I install a bullet guide, will the original factory ten rounders still work?

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    Thak you. I'm not seeing a down side to putting one in. Am I missing something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlwilliams View Post
    Thak you. I'm not seeing a down side to putting one in. Am I missing something?
    You have to remove the trunion to install one, then rivet the trunion back in.

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    You don't have to remove the trunnion. There are bullet guides made that simply require drilling a small hole, tapping it, and putting a screw in. You don't have to remove anything.

    As for factory magazines, if you put in a dinzag bullet guide ($33), the original magazine will work, but you'll have to sand the front a little bit because the bullet guide hangs over the trunnion ever so slightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 555th View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jlwilliams View Post
    Thak you. I'm not seeing a down side to putting one in. Am I missing something?
    You have to remove the trunion to install one, then rivet the trunion back in.
    This will make you a federal felon.

    Do not do it.

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    This will make you a federal felon.

    Do not do it.
    Ditto on not being able to legaly relove the trunion from the reciver as that is tampering with serial numbers.

    There is possably a way to get around that how ever. You solder a wire to the reciver and to the trunion and then the reciver never technicaly leaves the the trunion and thus the serial numbers are never removed form a fire arm/the reciver. Im not 100% tht this is legal but I have read of guys wo work on legal full autos were the reciver is worth 1000's of dollars doing it this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1biggun View Post
    Ditto on not being able to legaly relove the trunion from the reciver as that is tampering with serial numbers.

    There is possably a way to get around that how ever. You solder a wire to the reciver and to the trunion and then the reciver never technicaly leaves the the trunion and thus the serial numbers are never removed form a fire arm/the reciver. Im not 100% tht this is legal but I have read of guys wo work on legal full autos were the reciver is worth 1000's of dollars doing it this way.
    . . with that method, you're one ham-handed JBT away from the pen.

    "Ooopsie! I yanked it out of the vise a little too hard! OH WOW LOOK! No serial number!" //gets out the cuffs//

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    For that to matter, the ham-handedness would have to happen with an agent looking at you while you work, or some time between being dumb and silver-soldering a new wire to the two pieces.

    Also, that would be an accident. If by some freak of nature an accident involved separating the trunnion from the receiver, would you then be considered committing an illegal act?

    Logic says "no" but when has dealing with the ATF been logical?
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    Quote Originally Posted by christcorp View Post
    You don't have to remove the trunnion. There are bullet guides made that simply require drilling a small hole, tapping it, and putting a screw in. You don't have to remove anything.

    As for factory magazines, if you put in a dinzag bullet guide ($33), the original magazine will work, but you'll have to sand the front a little bit because the bullet guide hangs over the trunnion ever so slightly.
    That is a new one for me, never knew they made one that screwed in.

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