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Thread: Saiga 12 AOW conversion???

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1ak2b View Post

    Civvies can't have an AOW saiga 12. THAT would be a postie.

    Do you even know what an AOW is?

    This is a cadiz .410 AOW. Same thing on a 12 gage but you need to start with an RPK blank instead. Smooth bore pistols are AOW's and do not require a forward grip although they may use one. Cadiz's price on a 12 or 20 gauge AOW 12" barrel is $1825. Posties ( Post 86 dealer sales samples ) are machine guns. AOW's are not machine guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nalioth View Post
    Tom Cole (owner of Cadiz Gun Works) is taking orders now.

    You seem hell-bent on ignoring the other folks here who know the laws (since I don't know nothin')

    You can build an AOW on a virgin receiver.

    A SOT 7 can manufacture all the virgin receivers they like.

    Can you do the simple math?


    Here is Tom Cole's announcement over at the Saiga-12 board: SBS and AOW 8 inch 12 ga. models - Saiga-12.com


    He can obviously comprehend the law.

    re-read my last post please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipmechanic View Post
    I was a licensed 02/07 SOT manufacturer for 6 years, a licensed importer and an Class 1 and a Class 3 dealer. You can build a AOW from a virgin receiver. You need a virgin receiver. Any of the US made 1.5mm wall thickness RPK/Yugo style receivers can be used if the rails and center support are changed to Saiga shotgun configuration and the magwell is opened up. A couple of hours work, some drill bits, rivetting tools and a welder. Then its just a question of registering it as an AOW either by a manufacturer or by an individual on a form 1. The Saiga shotgun has all the parts you need on it so yes, you are going to do it with a Saiga 12 that came into this country.
    I fully agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipmechanic View Post
    Do you even know what an AOW is?

    This is a cadiz .410 AOW. Same thing on a 12 gage but you need to start with an RPK blank instead. Smooth bore pistols are AOW's and do not require a forward grip although they may use one. Cadiz's price on a 12 or 20 gauge AOW 12" barrel is $1825. Posties ( Post 86 dealer sales samples ) are machine guns. AOW's are not machine guns.
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    oops, I used the wrong terminology.
    I meant for Leo or military use.
    Lets get this straight real quick. I am talking about a factory saiga, not one built on a virgin receiver.
    And yes, I do know what an AOW is.

    Looks like i got all you riled up but hey, it's ok.

    It's time for bed, have a good night.

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    Tom Cole is the only authorized Izhmash warranty repair guy in the USA.

    Do you consider it possible that he might have a supply of virgin Izhmash receivers? He is a manufacturer and can import such items, you know.


    Oh wait! Is this a freaking gun forum? I meant to talk about gingham shirts.

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    Its an RPK receiver with 12 or so spot welds that have to get milled out to remove the side rails. Theres 2 center support rivets that get drilled out. Take the rails out of an NDS-7 and relieve the receiver for the Saiga trunion , open up the mag well Put the rails in the NDS-7 and spot weld in. Rivet in the center support with ejector and do final finishing. Or just bend a 1.5 mm flat and use the Saiga rails.

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    "scuse my ignorance, but what exactly does AOW stand for??? I "think" that I know, but I'm not 100% positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRX View Post
    Sure, whatever. [looks in file folder] The Form 4 for my 12-gauge still says "AOW" on it.
    AOW=Any Other Weapon
    And your 12 guage was built by its manufacturer from a virgin receiver. An AOW shotgun can only be built from a virgin receiver.
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    I'm not 100% sure, but I think the ATF now considers the front trunnion on Saiga shotguns the "receiver", since that's where the serial number is stamped. Perhaps CGW is just making a new trunnion?

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    Anyways.....

    So you CAN or CAN'T build a Saiga 12 receiver from a flat?

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