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    Default Saiga 12 or AA12??

    Ok guys, If you had your way. Which would you choose. The Saiga 12(full auto) or the AA12??

    I am with the Saiga all the way.
    The saiga shoots faster, the magazine looks way easier to load into the gun, and the Saiga doesn't look like a boat paddle.

    But, the AA12 seems to have less recoil................
    Last edited by SLUG36; 10-01-2010 at 08:41 AM.
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    I think your right about the recoil thing, I think it was on that Future Weapons show I heard something about almost no felt recoil.


    Me personally, I get the Saiga, cheaper and more parts for your personal taste.
    But if you deside to get a AA12, let me know, I think I got an 8 round mag for that.
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    The AA12, it's full auto!

    If we're talking about semiauto versions then I'd want the saiga. I don't think the AA could work without being open bolt, because IIRC it relied on advanced primer ignition to keep from having a 6lb bolt or ridiculous springs.

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    ok, I meant if the Saiga 12 was full auto.........
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    The AA12 is based on the old Atchisson shotgun, but extensively modified. One of the attributes of the Atchisson was the heavy recoil spring and long bolt travel meant the rearward force was entirely absorbed by the spring. IOW, the bolt is always stopped short of hitting anything solid when fired, it just compresses the spring until it stops moving, then rebounds forward. IIRC, this is known as a "balanced action", the German STg43/44 was the same way and was known for it's soft recoil and controllabilty during long bursts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kernelkrink View Post
    IIRC, this is known as a "balanced action", the German STg43/44 was the same way and was known for it's soft recoil and controllabilty during long bursts.
    Wasn't "balanced action" what the AK107-108 was called? It had a wierd gear driven counterweight thing that went forward as the bolt went back.

    I remember something similar to what you describe being used on the ultimax 100 from singapore, they call it "constant recoil" since instead of a variable recoil it is just a consistent push punctuated by no recoil when the bolt is forward.

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    Yes, constant recoil is the term I was trying to recall. The memory is the second thing to fail........

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    great info guys.
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