Page 6 of 35 FirstFirst ... 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 16 ... LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 348

Thread: New machined Adapter for .223

  1. #51
    Gunco Member christcorp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    51
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)

    Default

    Hey renegade. I picked up an AR magazine today just to see how it would fit; so I could tell if/how much modification I will have to do to my saiga. The ar magazine definitely does NOT go in all the way to where the mag touches the mag-rail. Now, I am really bad with the terminology, so bear with me. I assumed the "TRUNNION" was the part just below the barrel. After closer inspection, I now assume that the trunnion is the entire piece that WRAPS AROUND from left to righ and in front of the barrel. So, can I assume that the part of the trunnion that you mention as needing to have some "GRINDING" done on it; are the 2 ends; left and right side; just above the rivet; that eventually rests on the TOP MOST FRONT of the magazine, where the notch gut out is on both sides of the magazine???

    Assuming I am correct, I have 3 questions please.
    1. What is the best way to grind this down? I have a dremmel with most every accessory for it. Cutting wheel, round grinding wheel, ?????
    2. If I grind TOO MUCH, is that a major problem?
    3. With it ground down; if I was to take out the adapter and put in the original magazine again, will that missing support make using the original magazine "Less" reliable. Thanks. Mike.....

  2. #52
    Gunco Regular renegadebuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    456
    Feedback Score
    2 (100%)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by christcorp View Post
    Hey renegade. I picked up an AR magazine today just to see how it would fit; so I could tell if/how much modification I will have to do to my saiga. The ar magazine definitely does NOT go in all the way to where the mag touches the mag-rail. Now, I am really bad with the terminology, so bear with me. I assumed the "TRUNNION" was the part just below the barrel. After closer inspection, I now assume that the trunnion is the entire piece that WRAPS AROUND from left to righ and in front of the barrel. So, can I assume that the part of the trunnion that you mention as needing to have some "GRINDING" done on it; are the 2 ends; left and right side; just above the rivet; that eventually rests on the TOP MOST FRONT of the magazine, where the notch gut out is on both sides of the magazine???

    Assuming I am correct, I have 3 questions please.
    1. What is the best way to grind this down? I have a dremmel with most every accessory for it. Cutting wheel, round grinding wheel, ?????
    2. If I grind TOO MUCH, is that a major problem?
    3. With it ground down; if I was to take out the adapter and put in the original magazine again, will that missing support make using the original magazine "Less" reliable. Thanks. Mike.....
    You don't need to grind on the rivet and yes, the trunnion is the part that is riveted in the receiver and holds the barrel. You do have to grind very close to the rivet, however.
    1. I use a dremmel and one of the little round, brown stones that come with it. The burrs will work, but take way too long and are not as smooth of a finish.
    2. It kinda depends on your definition of "too much". Don't go crazy on it and the less you take off the better as this is part of the strength of the receiver. You don't have to be anal about it either and worry about getting it exactly to the nit of a gnat's ass. Just a little sloppy(about a thousandth or so) is ok as all mags are not exact, but you don't want to grind it where the front of the mag flops around everywhere.
    3. The Surefires or any other mag that fits now, are just plastic (or metal?) and don't know you have ground on anything. It will not be effected.

    Most of this info comes in the instructions, so you will have it in front of you if you need it.

    Keep the questions coming if you have them.

  3. #53
    Gunco Member christcorp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    51
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)

    Default

    Sorry, But I think I am over thinking it. You keep saying "WIDTH". I don't SEE a width problem. I put the AR magazine in, and it STOPS going in all the way, because the FRONT of the magazine hits the 2 spots on the trunnion (Left and Right) that is right above (depending which way you're looking at it) the rivets. It's the same spot that the Saiga magazines hit. Except the saiga magazines have a deeper notch than the AR. In other words, I could notch the AR magazines more and it would probably fit. But obviously, we don't want to have to adjust magazines.

    When you say "WIDTH"; I take that to mean, if I was looking down or up into the magazine well, that we would be grinding LEFT and RIGHT on the 2 points. But when I see the trunnion stopping the magazine from going in deeper, I see grinding as depth. I.e. If the gun is in my lap upside down, and I'm looking down into the magazine well, I would want to grind DOWNWARD on the 2 points so the magazine would go in deeper. WHAT AM I MISSING AND MISUNDERSTANDING HERE???? Damn, my head hurts. Thanks... Mike.....

  4. #54
    Gunco Member christcorp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    51
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)

    Default

    Maybe I can ask in a simpler format. I do better with Q&A. Let me try.

    1. When a magazine is put in; either a saiga, surefire, or AR; the TOP of the magazine hits the 2 spots on the trunnion. On a Saiga/Surefire magazine, this spot on the magazine is a deeper cut, so the magazine goes deeper in, and is flush (Basically) with the mag rail. Correct?

    2. When you say the WIDTH of the trunnion is too much for the AR magazine, are you saying I need to grind TOWARDS the outside of the weapon; making it thinner; so the AR magazine passes BETWEEN them? And thus when the magazine is in all the way and flush with the mag rail, that the trunnion WON'T BE TOUCHING the notches on the top of the magazine at all; but rather the SIDE of the magazine???

    3. OR, are you saying that the trunnion needs to be ground deeper (UP or DOWN - depending on your view) so that the trunnion STILL TOUCHES the notches on the top of the magazine; just that it's deeper and the magazine can go in a little further so it contacts the mag rail.

    In other words: If the gun is in my lap. Upside down. Totally field stripped. And I'm looking in the mag well from the bottom. And the gun is sitting so the barrel is facing forward; and the trunnion spots in question are on the LEFT and RIGHT of the mag well. If I was to take a dremmel straight downward into the mag well, would I want to grind the left one MORE LEFT, or MORE DOWNWARD. And the righ side; MORE RIGHT, or MORE DOWNWARD?

    Hope that's a more accurate and clear question. By the way.... THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE. mike....

  5. #55
    Gunco Regular renegadebuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    456
    Feedback Score
    2 (100%)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by christcorp View Post
    Maybe I can ask in a simpler format. I do better with Q&A. Let me try.

    1. When a magazine is put in; either a saiga, surefire, or AR; the TOP of the magazine hits the 2 spots on the trunnion. On a Saiga/Surefire magazine, this spot on the magazine is a deeper cut, so the magazine goes deeper in, and is flush (Basically) with the mag rail. Correct?

    2. When you say the WIDTH of the trunnion is too much for the AR magazine, are you saying I need to grind TOWARDS the outside of the weapon; making it thinner; so the AR magazine passes BETWEEN them? And thus when the magazine is in all the way and flush with the mag rail, that the trunnion WON'T BE TOUCHING the notches on the top of the magazine at all; but rather the SIDE of the magazine???

    3. OR, are you saying that the trunnion needs to be ground deeper (UP or DOWN - depending on your view) so that the trunnion STILL TOUCHES the notches on the top of the magazine; just that it's deeper and the magazine can go in a little further so it contacts the mag rail.

    In other words: If the gun is in my lap. Upside down. Totally field stripped. And I'm looking in the mag well from the bottom. And the gun is sitting so the barrel is facing forward; and the trunnion spots in question are on the LEFT and RIGHT of the mag well. If I was to take a dremmel straight downward into the mag well, would I want to grind the left one MORE LEFT, or MORE DOWNWARD. And the righ side; MORE RIGHT, or MORE DOWNWARD?

    Hope that's a more accurate and clear question. By the way.... THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE. mike....


    Number 2 would be a winner!!!

  6. #56
    Gunco Member christcorp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    51
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)

    Default

    So basically; the way the spots are now, the nubs that protrude outward, need to be ground down almost flush with the part lower than the nub which is where the rivet is? Again, so there is NO part of the trunnion touch the TOP of the magazine, but rather only the side of the magazine? Correct. thanks. mike...

  7. #57
    Gunco Member christcorp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    51
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)

    Default

    Renegade. Definitely thanks for all your help in understanding the grinding process. I believe I now understand the process and what needs to be done. It's definitely more grinding than I though it would require. And now I have to think hard if it's something I want to do. It's definitely something I can do, but not sure if I really want to grind that much off. There's definitely some advantages to using an AR adapter, and yours is definitely a quality build. And I've only heard great things about it. And the cost is reasonable. Money is definitely not an issue here. But I have to decide whether I would need/buy enough AR magazines to make it worth my time and money to do all the grinding; and potentially running into a problem. I'm not the type that thinks I need to have 10+ magazines. And the surefires, @ $28 from Mississippiarms, means that 5 Surefires would be the same price as 1 adapter and 4 AR magazines. So, I have to decide if 5 magazines; plus the 2 I already have, is enough. If it isn't, then the adapter plus AR mags is the way to go. If I think 5 additional magazines is enough, then that might be the way to go instead of grinding down the trunnion.

    My biggest concern is the grinding. Not the HOW part, but the how much part. Most people it seems didn't have to grind much. The way my magazines sit in the well, will require quite a bit of grinding. And seeing that one customer who bought an MSA adapter, and totally screwed up his trunnion; to the point of the gun not being safe to shoot; worries me. Granted, it looks like he definitely did ask as many questions as I have, and he didn't know what/where to grind properly. And most people have had nothing but success. But for mine, it looks like a lot of grinding. I'll definitely have to think this through. Thanks again for all you help. I definitely understand the saiga a lot more than I did 48 hours ago. You are providing a great service to the various forums and visitors with your knowledge. Thanks again. Mike....

  8. #58
    Gunco Regular renegadebuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    456
    Feedback Score
    2 (100%)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by christcorp View Post
    Renegade. Definitely thanks for all your help in understanding the grinding process. I believe I now understand the process and what needs to be done. It's definitely more grinding than I though it would require. And now I have to think hard if it's something I want to do. It's definitely something I can do, but not sure if I really want to grind that much off. There's definitely some advantages to using an AR adapter, and yours is definitely a quality build. And I've only heard great things about it. And the cost is reasonable. Money is definitely not an issue here. But I have to decide whether I would need/buy enough AR magazines to make it worth my time and money to do all the grinding; and potentially running into a problem. I'm not the type that thinks I need to have 10+ magazines. And the surefires, @ $28 from Mississippiarms, means that 5 Surefires would be the same price as 1 adapter and 4 AR magazines. So, I have to decide if 5 magazines; plus the 2 I already have, is enough. If it isn't, then the adapter plus AR mags is the way to go. If I think 5 additional magazines is enough, then that might be the way to go instead of grinding down the trunnion.

    My biggest concern is the grinding. Not the HOW part, but the how much part. Most people it seems didn't have to grind much. The way my magazines sit in the well, will require quite a bit of grinding. And seeing that one customer who bought an MSA adapter, and totally screwed up his trunnion; to the point of the gun not being safe to shoot; worries me. Granted, it looks like he definitely did ask as many questions as I have, and he didn't know what/where to grind properly. And most people have had nothing but success. But for mine, it looks like a lot of grinding. I'll definitely have to think this through. Thanks again for all you help. I definitely understand the saiga a lot more than I did 48 hours ago. You are providing a great service to the various forums and visitors with your knowledge. Thanks again. Mike....

    No problem. It really doesn't require that much (it is more than a few licks with a file, but not enough to make much strength difference as the Chinese rifles don't need grinding and some Saigas don't either) and doesn't weaken your rifle as the mag is bracing the trunnion. On the other peoples adapter(all of them), you have to grind receiver too I'm told, not just trunnion. If that's true, that would definitely make it weaker without the adapter installed. Their adapters are used to strengthen the receiver. Mine strengthens it some, but not much as I don't need to make it weaker to fit the adapter. (No receiver grinding is required)
    Good luck on your decision.

  9. #59
    Gunco Rookie RLTW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    15
    Feedback Score
    0

    Default

    Hey Renegade, just wondering if you had gotten the M/O and if you had sent the adapter? I will be out of the desert this week and then going back out on Sunday, was hoping it would be at home, so I can make the change... (and no ladies thats not menopause)... and test it out on the ranges....

    Thanks

  10. #60
    Gunco Regular renegadebuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    456
    Feedback Score
    2 (100%)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by RLTW View Post
    Hey Renegade, just wondering if you had gotten the M/O and if you had sent the adapter? I will be out of the desert this week and then going back out on Sunday, was hoping it would be at home, so I can make the change... (and no ladies thats not menopause)... and test it out on the ranges....

    Thanks

    I received one today, PM sent to see if it was yours.(other than that, I'll have to look it up and see who it belongs to)

Page 6 of 35 FirstFirst ... 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 16 ... LastLast

Search tags for this page

ak mag adapter 223

,

renegade buck saiga 223 ar mag adapter

Click on a term to search our site for related topics.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •