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Thread: full-auto conversion pre '86 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4thIDvet View Post
    Thank You.
    See "L.O. only" full auto on Gunbroker once in awhile.
    Huh. If I start a new town and run for Police Chief can I buy one? Cool.
    4th for Police Chief.


    Nice idea. In fact, the department would own any NFA weapons. Upon retirement, an individual police officer would not be able to have one (called constructive possession). In principle he could use one under department auspices. In some states like mine, retired police officers are not automatically granted a carry permit for their pistols so using an M/G would be under very specific circumstances like training.

    The only way an officer could buy an NFA weapon is if it were registered by the department as a transferable which means the department is old, or they paid market rates for it after '86.

    That 1986 law restricted ownership severely. The number of transferables goes down over the years as individuals buy them for their collections and the amount available is reduced.

    There is a reason for this - the anti-gunners won. Over time, only the very rich will be able to afford them.

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    yup from my understanding you could purchase a ar 15 anywhere before the ban went into effect, ship it off to a class 2 or whatever manufacture it, and for 1500 you would have a transferable auto ar15/m16. this was plus the 200 tax stamp to the govt.

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    With drop in auto sears and auto connectors you could even do it yourself, just file the proper forms and pay the tax, then swap in a few simple parts once it came back approved. If you were handy with tools, FIREPOWER magazine back in the day ran a how-to conversion article on a different gun every issue.

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    In early 1986 I was looking at purchasing an M16. They were about $600-$650 at that time. During the time that I was looking, the "new machine gun" ban passed and the prices went through the roof. A couple months later I bit the bullet and paid $900 for an M16 Shorty. My friends told me I was crazy, but in the end I really came out great. I still remember seeing BAR's for $300 and one of my friends bought an M2 50 cal for $1000. He sold his 50 last year for $25,000.

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    only if you had a time machine to go back to early 1986 and register it. any fullauto made past that date is a post sample...restricted to class 2/3 le and military...wish it werent so!

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    I purchased a case of Colt M16A2's from Colt after they had lost their contract to the Feds...ten rifles with consecutive serial numbers...for $192.00 apiece, + shipping. They had a warehouse full of them and were offering a case price to NFA dealers. I think that was in 1986? ( braindead?) Got them all on a form 3. Sold them all in ones and twos on form 4's. The last one sold for $12,000. That was a few years ago. Wish I still had them to sell now......

    My friends all thought that I was crazy...I pointed out that I could strip off the receivers....destroy them...and then sell the parts kit for more trhan I paid for the complete rifles. Glad I did not do THAT.

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    So how do private militia's like Blackwater purchase NFA full auto weapons brand new... Blackwater is not a government agency and has no legal authority to own the hardware they do, no more than any common citizen does.

    Where is the loop hole that allows them to purchase any damn weapon system they want?

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    No loophole, they do the same as you or I could. Blackwater has FFL licensing. Plus, you're only talking in-country possession by them, not the "office."

    I'd be pretty secure in a wager that any contract work in other countries includes the ability to legally acquire and use necessary firepower.
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    Hello Mark,
    I recall that Blackwater operated under the auspices of a local county LE authority. Off shore or at sea is a whole nother game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjohnson View Post
    No loophole, they do the same as you or I could. Blackwater has FFL licensing. Plus, you're only talking in-country possession by them, not the "office."

    I'd be pretty secure in a wager that any contract work in other countries includes the ability to legally acquire and use necessary firepower.
    hmmm, if they work with FFL licensing, can the entire company run under the license of 1 FFL 07. Seems possible, sketchy but doable.. If that's the case, might as well start a company, make a bunch of buddies, employee/owners and sell machine guns to others who become employee/owners...

    I can't imagine blackwater being county LE, they have no legal jurisdiction... or at least they shouldn't!

    Mark

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