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The Mini-14, a great gun, but...

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#1 ·
One of my all-favorite rifles is the Ruger Mini-14. I have liked this gun ever since the first time I heard of it, even before Ruger released it for sale to the public in 1976. It has its detractors, but, I believe that the good outweighs the bad.


During the 60s, Ruger decided to make a semi-auto military style rifle based on the M1/M14 action. He thought (correctly, I feel) that the many returning GIs would like to own a rifle similar to the then standard issue M14. He even named it the “XGI” to show his intent. But, somehow he was unable to make it work in .308 and he shelved the project.
About that time, the US Army started to transition to the M16/AR15 family of rifles. One big difference about these guns was that they were chambered for the .223 Remington/5.56X45. Ruger then decided to offer his new rifle in that caliber. To show its resemblance to the M14 he called it the “Mini-14.” But, he made it for several years before he introduced it to the public.
At that time, there were no ARs, AK47s, SKS’s. or any other of the small caliber military type guns available. So, the Mini-14 won the popularity contest by default.
I was buying all of the survival publications (such as American Survival Guide, Survive, and a couple of others) in those days. I read them from cover to cover. Many articles featured the Mini-14. It was extremely popular with survivalists. If Ruger had of used their heads, they could have built that gun into the number one survival gun in the country. After all, it had a big head start! But, for some reason Ruger totally missed the boat on that one!
There are some who feel that the Mini is only a light duty gun. However, I have read a number of reports from people who claim that they have fired thousands of rounds through their Minis with NO malfunction! I believe that it is possible. Being based on the old M1 Garand can’t be all bad!
But, as a former mechanic, I know that any machine or other man made product can break and need to be repaired. Therein lies my main complaint about the Mini. For some reason, Ruger does not seem to want to sell some spare parts for it. I have heard too many reports of Minis breaking their firing pins to not believe it. Any part can break. But Ruger will resist efforts to sell some replacement parts. If you can persuade them to sell you a firing pin, you will have to send the entire gun back to them. You will have to pay for shipping 2 ways, the parts, and the labor to fit them. Try doing that if TSHTF! I don’t know of any reason that you could not send only the bolt from the gun. They could use the old firing pin to fit replacements. That would be a lot less expensive than sending the entire rifle. But, Ruger does not seem to be interested in doing this. Midway sells a replacement firing pin made by a company named Glend. I don’t know how good it is, but, I think I will buy a couple and have a local gunsmith fit them. Then, I will do all my practicing with replacement parts and save my factory part for a possible TSHTF need.
I, personally, like the Mini. I like its looks, the way it handles, its dependability, and, the fact that the Mini does not frighten anti-gunners the way that the AK and AR do. It doesn’t look like an evil “assault rifle” and is more acceptable to some people.
Some people complain about the accuracy of this gun. Well, I admit that it won’t shoot every bullet through the eye of a gnat at 200 yards, but, it will hit minute of potbelly. Ruger does make a target version for more money, but, the regular gun is fine for its intended purpose, being on target at 200 to 300 yards. You don’t really need any more than that.
If I had the money back that I spent on my Mini, I might consider buying an AR. Because of the number of companies that now manufacture the AR, the price has come down a long ways the last few years. But, I have what I have and I think I will still be OK.
 
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#2 ·
Colt released a semi auto copy of the M16 as the AR15 in 1963. Predates the Mini by a few years. Browning imported the first FAL rifles from Belgium in 1959. Numerous other makers started selling semi auto copies of their military rifles throughout the 60s and 70s.

Ruger "won the popularity contest" because they could be bought at K-Mart and every other gun seller as an affordable production item. They also appealed to the "traditionalists" who thought these newfangled "plastic rifles by Mattell" were junk. They won "fair and square" back then, not by default!
 
#3 ·
and they were NIB for $168 list price--far far less than any colt ar-15 in those days. add to that there was not many ar-15 clones around other that some horrible looking cast ones for $600


i have had 4 minis over the years. 180,181, 182s two in stainless and two blued--the old 180 blued steel was the best one. i think the first one i got i was a teenager it set me back a whole $180 in 1978 -

-i think the most expensive one i bought was a stainless 182 or 183 for around $360 sometime in the middle to late 80s it was a POS--too some time after that i got a couple bushmasters a ar and a m-17 bullpup.

now if you could buy a mini parts kit and then i could cherry pick the parts /BIY then maybe.

it would damn sure help if they made a m-4 barrel version that took ar-15 mags.

--these days i'll stick to the ar-15 and AKs--

i could be tempted to try a really old blued one maybe--
 
#4 ·
I have always like the Mini-14. I have owned quite a number of them over the years. I always sold them based on one stupid issue: Magazines.

Back in the '80s, you could get good mags. Or at least you could get mags that were serviceable and functional. I always replaced the springs with AR units, and that helped quite a bit.

The other issues were the pencil barrel, when hot would affect accuracy in a terrible way, with up to 3 moa variance from stone cold. Not good, but no worse than the AR rifles with a similar profile barrel.

I did have one Mini-14 re-barrelled with a "middle weight" profile, and a modified operating rod. WHAT A DIFFERENCE! A somewhat adjustable gas system was installed as well, and while I never really took advantage of it, I did notice that recoil was much more manageable and that the empty brass was no longer being thrown 20+ feet away.

The Mini-14 is a sad story of mediocre craftsmanship, cut corners, shitty mags, and a Company that just did not seem to care. The lack of spares is just the last nail in that coffin. This is why the Mini-14 has been labeled a "lite-Duty" rifle.

It is just sad.
 
#7 ·
Thanks for your comments. I appreciate all of them.
I, too, like the Mini-14. Back during the 70s and 80s I read a lot of gun and survival magazines. The Mini was very popular with the various writers. And, I determined that I wanted one. So, years ago I purchased one of the (now) older models-the "pencil barrel" type. I still have it. It has always worked. I enjoy carrying and using it. It seems to be sufficiently accurate for a "duffer' like me. Under today's conditions, it's a keeper. It goes "BANG" every time I pull the trigger, so it will suffice for my needs.
A couple of years ago I decided to buy one of the newer types (580, I think). It has a tapered barrel and is supposedly more accurate that the older model. I haven't had the opportunity to take it to the woods and test it yet. But, I hope to do so soon.
In the current Shotgun News there is an ad for a new type of Gas Block for the Mini. It is adjustable. You can change the gas system to make the gun function to your specifications-anything from "mild to wild!" One you replace your old block with this one, you can easily adjust it as you shoot. There is no need to dismantle the gun. I like the looks of this product and am considering it. It does cost $119.11. But, if it functions as they say, it will be worth it to me.
Another thing I am going to do is to order 2 Glendt replacement firing pins from Midway. These pins will have to be fitted to my guns, but, as an old former auto mechanic, I think I can do it. If not, there are several good gunsmiths in this area. Midway also sells various replacement springs and other small parts (extractors, etc) and I think I will make a small parts kit for my Minis. At that point, I will make it or break it with my Minis. I think it may be too late to try to accumulate M4s and their spare parts.
I might add that I also have an AK47 and a couple SKSs.
And, for all of the above I do have a good supply of ammo.

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#13 ·
Yup! The adjustable gas system that I had looked like the Gen 1 unit they have at the bottom of the page. I think mine looked a little clunkier though.

Some of the other posts made good points, especially the trigger work that is possible. I did something similar, and it did improve things. I finally remembered the mags that I liked for the Mini, Thermold! You did have to clean up the mag lips a bit, but they fit, fed and functioned very well.

If your Minis are the 181 or later style, and are the Ranch variant, then optics are not an issue for you. If you have the non-Ranch Mini, then look into the side mount scope rails. These are not very good, but they work fine out to 300 yards.

My best advise is that you should consider a heavier profile barrel. j427 I think talked about the metal used in the barrels, and I agree with him. I found that the 181 series receivers and bolts were properly hard, but I have seen earlier examples that were as he described...Peened, battered, and scary.

Any rifle can be fixed, and any rifle is worth having if it functions correctly. Your Minis are fine, and I think you have a good plan for them (parts, spares, etc). The only downside is the barrel.

Just my $0.02
 
#8 ·
+1 on what bellson said.

the mini could have been a very good firearm. ruger just cut way too many corners.

had some body who had a lot of experience with the grand rifles made the mini, some one who did cut not so many corners in production,--i figure it would have been great.

add into that no parts , and sucky mags-- another wet dream shot to hell.
 
#11 ·
I sold the mini I had simply because once you got a few rounds down the barrel it wasn't more accurate than my sks was with the barrel smoking. The only mags that worked at the time were the factory mags. I never needed any spare parts though.
 
#12 ·
yea i got some really off the wall accuracy issues with two of the three the minis. the stainless ones were the worst. the other two were OK if 4MOA is your thing.

i probably could have tuned up the old 180 today--cut the barrel back some, add a heavy honking FH to dampen things down a bit. replace all those screws that kept backing out and striping with some good steel SPS hex screws--

the potential of the mini was there --it was the execution was poorly done.

i think ruger had some issues with their barrel steel in the minis.

the mini was one of those guns that everybody loved till they had one for a few years.

i didn't find them all that reliable either. kind of makes me wonder about all the gun rags going on on how reliable the mini was over the AR-15??--LOL!

when the dod was testing the AC-5.56 versions for export , one was firing full auto the bolt flew out of the carbine. i think the op-rod shattered --

we took apart another one that had see about 1k mostly full auto.

the moving parts were pounded all to hell , like the steel was too soft or they skipped the heat treat. then again it might have been cooking off rounds that beat it all to hell--

there were a few decent mags for the .223 mini those smoked plastic LANCERS seemed to run well enough.

if winchester had made the mini in the 1960s before they went wall street--that could have worked--LOL


everyone really wanted the mini to be the shit cause it was the m1a1s little brother --

a good smith might be able to do wonder with a good example.

a side note numrich had a bunch of used mini barrels for $60 they were pulls, now the question was were they pulls from guns set up with shop barrels or were they customer returns to the ruger factory?--
 
#14 ·
The mini is way over gassed from the factory. But, I don't think an adjustable gas block is necessary. Swapping out the factory gas bushing or a .050 will keep your brass in the same zip code and keep the rifle from hammering itself to death.
Also if you have the early pencil barrel, a barrel strut from accustrut or mo-rod will really help your group size once it starts to get hot.
 
#15 ·
All good points here. I have owned three, 181 series. After fine tuning them they had acceptable accuracy. I wasted alot of money on mags that could not be made to work. Then I bought a Tapco. It ran great. So I bought another, then 1 more. They all work great. i replaced the bbl on one that was badly pitted with one of the numrich take offs and it was very accurate.
 
#18 ·
I don't know what the make of my after market mags are. There are no markings. They all came sealed in individual plastic bags. So far, I have only opened a few. They work! I don't know about the rest. But, I guess I better take them out and learn how well they function.
 
#22 ·
According to the IMFDB:

"The Mini-14 never jams or stovepipes using movie blanks, something that cannot be said of any of the other common 5.56x45mm weapons used in films. "
Ruger Mini-14 - Internet Movie Firearms Database - Guns in Movies, TV and Video Games

i seriously doubt that. hollyweird is well known for their ignorance in firearms.

--hell how many stars have been killed by blanks? at least two, one stuck a revolver to his head and fired and the other was killed when a revolver firing blanks had a bullet lodged in the barrel. this revolver had been used in several films --fired many many times with blanks --yet somehow after all these films no one ever checked the barrel for obstructions???

besides most of the times the weapons firing is FX added after the shoot.

while i had minis i had quite a few fuck-ups with them and i was not firing blanks either. i don't know of any arm that fires blanks better than live rounds.

blanks are even more prone to jamming from what i have seen with the m16s,m4s m60s, 249s and so on.

my guess is running a mini with blanks would be some what interesting.


most weapons fire being FX added to the film-- you really don't know what your seeing on tv and the movies.

i certainly wouldn't give any credence to hollywood for how good anything firearms related is.

in fact hollywood is the best place to look for wrong information.
 
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