Their out there, with prices all over the place. I got a good price on the one Coils found on ebay. Thanks again, Coils. Now I have to find an excuse to "borrow" my sons mini so I can mount this thing, along with scope and 100 rnds of 223, for his birthday as a surprise. I thought I would help him out on this, His princess bride doesn't let him spend any of his 90-100 hr a week gas field wages. No kidding, he works that many hours to keep that non-workin gal in a brand new house and suv. O well, its his life and he knew what he was getting into.