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    Hey, guys -

    I'd love to build an AK... I live in the Charlotte, NC area - does anyone have experience building from a parts kit and wouldn't mind sharing their knowledge (build party or the like)?

    Thanks!

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    Hey there and good luck with this build. You know, I just finished my first build and Did exactly what you did: I bought a Bulgarian underfolder thinking the parts were universal. They aren't. I ended up buying a Romanian front and rear trunnion, gas block, RSB, and front sight at an additional cost of near $200 dollars. Yes, the parts kit was only $220 but adding it up including the barrel, trigger group, muzzle and grip the total was over $ 650 for the parts alone. When finished the build ended up being a hybrid of American, Romanian and Bulgarian parts, not exactly a matched kit by any means. Plus the top and bottom hand guards don't fit perfectly the top required shimming. My advice would be to unload these parts for what you paid for them , research a bit more and start over. Avoid Yugo, Bulgarian, and Chinese kits. Try to get a kit with the barrel included and pressed for your first build. You'll be happier when you're done.

    I found the following from somewhere, I can't take credit but hope this helps. I wish I had this info when I started my project.

    BARREL OVERALL LENGTH

    SAIGA .223………………………………………………………………………………………........16 Ό
    SAIGA .308……………………………………………………………………………………….........16 Ό
    BULGARIAN 5.45 AK-74………………………………………………………………………......16 Ό
    MAADI 7.62X39…………………………………………………………………………………......16 1/2
    HUNGARIAN SA2000M 7.62X39………………………………………………………………...16 1/4
    HUNGARIAN AMD 65 ………………………………………………………………………….........12 ½
    HUNGARIAN AMD 63…………………………………………………………………………..........16 ½
    ROMANIAN G …………………………………………………………………………………........... 16 Ό
    YUGOSLAVIAN AB2…………………………………………………………………………….......16 Ό
    YUGOSLAVIAN VIRGIN KRINK………………………………………………………………..........10
    YUGOSLAVIAN M72 RPK……………………………………………………………………….......21 Ό
    RUSSIAN MILLED AK-47……………………………………………………………………….......16 Ό
    ROB. ARMS VEPR 7.62X39……………………………………………………………………....16 5/8
    POLISH U/F 7.62X39…………………………………………………………………………….....16 Ό
    POLISH TANTAL 5.45X39……………………………………………………………………....16 5/8
    MAK 90 7.62X39 U/F……………………………………………………………………………......16 ½
    MILLED TYPE 56 7.62X39………………………………………………………………………....16 Ό


    CHAMBER OUTSIDE DIAMETER

    SAIGA .223……………………………………………………………… ………………………..........N/A
    SAIGA .308……………………………………………………………………………………......... .. 986
    BULGARIAN 5.45 AK-74………………………………………………………………………........ N/A
    MAADI 7.62X39…………………………………………………………………………………......... N/A
    HUNGARIAN SA2000M 7.62X39………………………………………………………………...... N/A
    HUNGARIAN AMD 65 ………………………………………………………………………......... .908
    HUNGARIAN AMD 63…………………………………………………………………………......... .908
    ROMANIAN G …………………………………………………………………………………........... .908
    YUGOSLAVIAN AB2……………………………………………………………………….......... .908
    YUGOSLAVIAN VIRGIN KRINK……………………………………………………………........ .908
    YUGOSLAVIAN M72 RPK……………………………………………………………………........ .908
    RUSSIAN MILLED AK-47………………………………………………………………………........ N/A
    ROB. ARMS VEPR 7.62X39……………………………………………………………………...... .908
    POLISH U/F 7.62X39…………………………………………………………………………...... .908
    POLISH TANTAL 5.45X39…………………………………………………………………...... .908
    MAK 90 7.62X39 U/F…………………………………………………………………………....... .762
    MILLED TYPE 56 7.62X39……………………………………..……………………………...... N/A



    MUZZLE THREAD / THREAD LENGTH



    SAIGA .223……………......................................... ..............................
    ..N/A
    SAIGA .308…………………………………………………………………………………............... .N/A
    BULGARIAN 5.45 AK-74……M24 X 1.5 RH…………………………………………....... .780
    MAADI 7.62X39…………………………………………………………………………….............. N/A
    HUNGARIAN SA2000M 7.62X39………………………………… ………………………......... N/A
    HUNGARIAN AMD 65 …………M14 X 1 LH………………………………………….......... .610
    HUNGARIAN AMD 63…………M14 X 1 LH………………………………………….......... .570
    ROMANIAN G …………………M14 X 1 LH…………………………………………............. .560
    YUGOSLAVIAN AB2…………M14 X 1 LH………………………………………….......... .560
    YUGOSLAVIAN VIRGIN KRINK………M26 X 1.5 LH……………………………… ........ .700
    YUGOSLAVIAN M72 RPK……………M14 X 1 LH…………………………. ………......... .580
    RUSSIAN MILLED AK-47…………M14 X 1 LH…………………………………….......... .560
    ROB. ARMS VEPR 7.62X39… NO THREADS .614 DIA…………………………... .500
    POLISH U/F 7.62X39……………M14 X 1 LH………………………………………........ .590
    POLISH TANTAL 5.45X39……M14 X 1 LH…………………………………………...... 1.500
    MAK 90 7.62X39 U/F………THREADS TURNED OFF .530 DIA……………….... .640
    MILLED TYPE 56 7.62X39……M14 X 1 LH………………………………………….. ......570


    BARREL DIA. FOR GAS BLOCK / G.B. OVERALL LENGTH


    SAIGA .223……….................... 631 ……………..................................1.410
    SAIGA .308…………….............. .712 ………………………………………………...... 1.400
    BULGARIAN 5.45 AK-74…….......592 . ……………………………………………...... 1.425
    MAADI 7.62X39……………......... .592 ……………………………………………...... 1.060
    HUNGARIAN SA2000M 7.62X39 ..591 ……………………………………………...... 1.050
    HUNGARIAN AMD 65 ………….......592 …………………………………………… ......1.060
    HUNGARIAN AMD 63……………......592 ……………………………………………. ......1.060
    ROMANIAN G …………………..........592 ……………………………………………... .....1.065
    YUGOSLAVIAN AB2……………......631 ……………………………………………. ....1.540
    YUGOSLAVIAN VIRGIN KRINK......591 ……………………………………………...... 1.665
    YUGOSLAVIAN M72 RPK………. .808 ……………………………………………...... 1.440
    RUSSIAN MILLED AK-47……….. .631 ……………………………………………..... 1.450
    ROB. ARMS VEPR 7.62X39……… .790 …………………………………………….... .. 1.060
    POLISH U/F 7.62X39……………. .592 …………………………………………….. ... 1.060
    POLISH TANTAL 5.45X39……… .580 ……………………………… ……………...... 2.070
    MAK 90 7.62X39 U/F…………….. .631 ……………………………………………... . ..1.350
    MILLED TYPE 56 7.62X39……… .631 ………………………………. …………….. .. 1.450


    GAS BLOCK DIMENSIONS

    DISTANCE TO CENTER OF GAS HOLE FROM :
    FR. OF GAS BLOCK / HOLE DIA. / R. OF GAS BLOCK



    SAIGA .223……………… .990 …………………… .180 …………………………….. .418
    SAIGA .308……………… 975 ……………………… .I80 ………………………….... .415
    BULGARIAN 5.45 AK-74…………………………………………................................ .....
    MAADI 7.62X39……………………………………………………....................... ................
    HUNGARIAN SA2000M 7.62X39 ………….............................................. ........
    HUNGARIAN AMD 65 ………………………………… .....133 .....................................
    HUNGARIAN AMD 63………………………………… ......149………….............................
    ROMANIAN G ……………………………………………..... 149………...............................
    YUGOSLAVIAN AB2… .438 ………………….......149 ……….....................1.100
    YUGOSLAVIAN VIRGIN KRINK………………………………................................. ........
    YUGOSLAVIAN M72 RPK……………………………… ..122 ………...............................
    RUSSIAN MILLED AK-47……………………………… .175………................................
    ROB. ARMS VEPR 7.62X39………………………………………............................ ..........
    POLISH U/F 7.62X39…………………………………....149 …………...........................
    POLISH TANTAL 5.45X39………………………………………............................ .........
    MAK 90 7.62X39 U/F…………………………………… 175………................................
    MILLED TYPE 56 7.62X39…………………………….. 172……………………………………….....


    BARREL DIA. @ HANDGUARD RETAINER

    SAIGA .223……………………………………………………………… ………………………....... N/A
    SAIGA .308………………………………………………………………………………………........ N/A
    BULGARIAN 5.45 AK-74………………………………………………………………………..... .667
    MAADI 7.62X39…………………………………………………………………………………..... .670
    HUNGARIAN SA2000M 7.62X39………………………………………………………………... .668
    HUNGARIAN AMD 65 …………………………………………………………………………...... .670
    HUNGARIAN AMD 63…………………………………………………………………………...... .669
    ROMANIAN G ……………………………………………………………………………………........ .668
    YUGOSLAVIAN AB2…………………………………………………………………………....... .688
    YUGOSLAVIAN VIRGIN KRINK……….......................................... .......... .689
    YUGOSLAVIAN M72 RPK………………………………………………………………………..... .944
    RUSSIAN MILLED AK-47………………………………………. ……………………………….... .686
    ROB. ARMS VEPR 7.62.............................................. ....................... N/A
    POLISH U/F 7.62X39........................................... ........................... .668
    POLISH TANTAL 5.45X39…………………………………………………………………….... .657
    MAK 90 7.62X39 U/F…………………………………………………………………………….... .688
    MILLED TYPE 56 7.62X39…………………………………………………………………….... .688


    BARREL DIA. @ FSB / OVERALL LENGTH OF FSB

    SAIGA .223………………………… .... .594 ………………………………….................2.330
    SAIGA .308…………………………. .....671 ………………………………………............1.625
    BULGARIAN 5.45 AK-74………... .572 …………………………………………………… 1.300
    MAADI 7.62X39…………………..... .572…………………………………………………….... .865
    HUNGARIAN SA2000M 7.62X39 ….572……………………………………………………..... .850
    HUNGARIAN AMD 65 …………….... .572…………………………………………………… .....850
    HUNGARIAN AMD 63……………..... .572 ……………………………………………………. 1.050
    ROMANIAN G ……………………....... .592 ……………………………….................... .865
    YUGOSLAVIAN AB2…………… ......592 ……………………………………............. 1.235
    YUGOSLAVIAN VIRGIN KRINK.......592 ………………………………....................1.665
    YUGOSLAVIAN M72 RPK………… ... N/A……………………………………………........ 1.130
    RUSSIAN MILLED AK-47………..... .591 ………………………………………………..... 1.170
    ROB. ARMS VEPR 7.62X39………… N/A…………………………………………………… 1.050
    POLISH U/F 7.62X39……………… .572……………………………………………………… .850
    POLISH TANTAL 5.45X39……… .562…………………………………......................850
    MAK 90 7.62X39 U/F……………... .592 …………………………........................1.165
    MILLED TYPE 56 7.62X39………. .592…………………………….......................1.450


    GAS TUBE LENGTH

    SAIGA .223……………………………………………………………………………………… 6.970
    SAIGA .308……………………………………………………………………………………….. 6.950
    BULGARIAN 5.45 AK-74………………………………………………………………………. 6.970
    MAADI 7.62X39………………………………………………………………………………… 6.970
    HUNGARIAN SA2000M 7.62X39……………………………………………………………… 5.740
    HUNGARIAN AMD 65 …………………………………………………………………………. 5.770
    HUNGARIAN AMD 63…………………………………………………………………………... 6.940
    ROMANIAN G …………………………………………………………………………………... 6.970
    YUGOSLAVIAN AB2………………………………………………………………………….. 7.540
    YUGOSLAVIAN VIRGIN KRINK……………………………………………………………... 6.060
    YUGOSLAVIAN M72 RPK…………………………………………………………………….. 7.530
    RUSSIAN MILLED AK-47……………………………………………………………………… 6.970
    ROB. ARMS VEPR 7.62X39…………………………………………………………………….. 6.970
    POLISH U/F 7.62X39…………………………………………………………………………... 6.970
    POLISH TANTAL 5.45X39……………………………………………………………………. 6.980
    MAK 90 7.62X39 U/F…………………………………………………………………………... 6.980
    MILLED TYPE 56 7.62X39…………………………………………………………………….. 6.980

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    If you are buying a kit, there is no reason to avoid Yugo, Bulgarian, and Chinese kits. Those are some of the best variants of the AK47 platform available. Now, they may not be the best choice for your first build, but they are great guns none the less. In fact, the Romanian kits that I've put together have always given me some kind of trouble. One of the easiest builds I've done was the AMD-65. Make sure to do some research about the kit you are about to buy so you know what you are getting yourself into.

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    I do agree that the quality of the Bulgarian kit was top notch to the point I wondered if it was used for more than ceremonial display. The replacement pieces I got seperately were expensive and showed a lot more wear. For a first build I still recommend a kit with matching parts that include the trunnions at least. If it has the barrel you save an awful lot of work dealing with headspace and drilling the pin and gas holes. Focus on doing the receiver right and everything else falls into place. Just sayin' with no disrespect (this is only my 3rd post after all)

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    All in all not a bad build.
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